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Old 11-20-2016, 04:48 AM   #1
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Oh my! How we change

I grew up with 38/357 pistols and have always had a knack for that caliber,
The 357 still has a history of being a deadly round and I favor it.
I'll never understand why the police quit using it even though it will pass thru a body and continue on to injure anyone behind that person.
Well, I got into reloading 38's for in house shooting at the range.
Then I just had to have that monster Coonan. If there ever was a 357, that is the one to have. Only problem is, it is too large to carry.
I'm getting older (75 this week) and at 170 lbs. I'm a little on the slim side to be carrying my S&W 60-14 or one of my 38 supers
I have three 38 supers that I love to shoot, but here again they are too bulky to hide on myself.
The 38 super bullet is .355" in diameter and so is the 9 mm. So I took notice of the types of ammo available for the 9 mm and started looking around for a smaller more compact carry gun.
I favor the look of the 1911 and Sig has come out with the P938 in 9 mm. It is slender, light weight and easily hid. I waited for two months to get one on order. It is easily concealed and fits my needs to a "T". I bought two more this week. I won't say why I got two more, but I did. Cost is on the $ 650 to $ 675 range. I have my inside the waist band Galeco holster ordered too.
So, if you are looking for an easily concealed gun, take a look at the P938. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ig-sauer-p938/

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Old 11-20-2016, 05:32 AM   #2
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That is a beauty. Being a 1911 fan you will be very comfortable with the handling of the P938. And, after carrying the 1911 you won't even notice the Sig. I had a Sig P238 and the fit and finish was lovely. Congratulations on a great gun. And Happy Birthday.
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:37 AM   #3
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I prefer the 40SW in Glock which is built on a 9MM frame and has the power of 45 ACP . You can get a 9MM barrel or a 357 sig barrel for $ 100 each to change caliber and NO other parts needed . The 357 sig was designed to feed a 357 bullets perfectly at 357 mag speed . My Glock 23C is the same size a combat 1911 and the weight with 13 rds is the same as a empty 1911 . They don't shoot to bad either
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That is a beauty. Being a 1911 fan you will be very comfortable with the handling of the P938. And, after carrying the 1911 you won't even notice the Sig. I had a Sig P238 and the fit and finish was lovely. Congratulations on a great gun. And Happy Birthday.
RR, I considered the P238, but the 938 just somehow beat it as the new bullets seem more powerful. I guess you have noticed how easy the slide works. That is a plus for my old hands.
Re TGR: your choice seems more logical as you have so many options to change the calibers, but you have a larger build than I do and you can easily hide your choice better than I.
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Happy Birthday from me as well!

I've looked at a number of Sigs, all very well made. I don't think anybody beats their quality. Many police agencies carry the larger Sigs. You say you bought three total? Either two extras to hide around the house, or two very nice Christmas presents. No need to tell us.
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I love the Sigs and being a fat guy, carry my P226/40S&W or my P320/9mm (my EDC) with no problem. There are times when something smaller would be nice but my wife won't let her M&P 9 Shield out of her sight. I like the Shield because if is the best of two worlds, striker fired (Glock) and ease of take down (Sig style). I do carry my M&P9 occasionally but the P320 with a 10 round mag in my Black Rhino holster is very comfortable. I do have a Taurus 709Slim or an LCP for the pocket if necessary.
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RR, I considered the P238, but the 938 just somehow beat it as the new bullets seem more powerful. I guess you have noticed how easy the slide works. That is a plus for my old hands.
Re TGR: your choice seems more logical as you have so many options to change the calibers, but you have a larger build than I do and you can easily hide your choice better than I.
Kimberlover, the Sigs are great pistols. My wife & I have a matched pair of P238's (.380acp) that we have carried for years & love. My wife likes the feature of being able to remove the mag & rack the slide to empty the chamber with the safety on. I use a Galco pocket holster & like it a lot.

We have also for the past year, been using Sig's Elite Performance Ammunition
I did some informal milk jug testing with it & it performed very well. They also make it in 9mm.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:51 AM   #8
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Hey, KL, I had a 938 and in one of my flip flops as to types of guns I carry, I traded it off. Now that I am back to using a semi auto for carry, I will be getting another one. The 938 is a super little shooter, but the trigger can vary a bit, one gun to the next as to pull weight, so I am waiting to find just the one I want in that regard. As to the 9mm, there was a time when I would have felt a bit under-gunned with one, but not anymore. I still prefer my beloved 45 auto, but improvements in bullet design now make the 9mm a very solid SD cartridge.

As to cops no longer carrying a 357, I suspect it's a matter of them changing from revolvers to semi-autos for a variety of reasons. Despite exceptions like your Coonan or a big Desert Eagle, the 357 is inherently a revolver cartridge.

Plus one of the Sig Elite ammo. Have used it both 9mm and 10m and it runs great. Quality ammo.
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So it appears that I am a late comer to the 938!
You know, the trigger pull is in the neighborhood of 7 lbs.
That is a bit more pull than I like, but I'm not too crazy about having a light pull for a CC.
I have often thought that the 9 mm was a bit on the light side for knock down ability, but with the improvements in the cartridge, I've had a change of heart. I especially like the 16 oz. weight and the slim size.
I'm a bit concerned that my wife refuses to carry and that concerns me greatly.
I was raised where we never locked our doors, but that era has passed.
Then there was the period where a police officer said he had never pulled his gun in all the years of service. That too is changing.
I hate the fact that I have to pick up my pistol when I leave the house, But times change.
Now to the truth....
I wear progressive lenses in my glasses and open sights are somewhat of a problem.
For instance, I can take any of my 38 supers with a laser and hit a 3" target at 20 feet 9 times in around 7-8 seconds. Open sights make that time impossible.
It is too bad I cannot carry my Kimbers like I would really want to, and by the way: that Coonan is far more accurate than any of my Kimbers. Just too big to tote around.
There is a comparison between the Coonan 357 and the 45 on YouTube. It is worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...onan+vs+the+45

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There is a laser available for the P938 Kimberlover.
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Old 11-20-2016, 01:04 PM   #11
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KL, I would definitely explore one of the point shooting methods or current combat shooting methods (and there are several, FAS, TFS and so on) that only require front sight visibility and, even then, the front sight need not be razor sharp. Really takes the great eyesight thing out of the equation. I practice it a bit on every range outing. It's very effective. At the statistical 3-7 yards distance in a self-defense situation, this is all you will ever need. Talked to a couple of our local cops at the range, one day, who were re-training at 3 yards, since new research shows a lot of shootouts occur at that distance. Very interesting. Part of the training involved a stance with the gun tucked in close to the body to prevent a perp from grabbing the gun which is a definite possibility, up that close. No way they could have even seen the rear sight in that stance.

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i was thinking about change over the years........

i started off with revolvers and then played with the autos when LEO's started to gravitate that direction....but more or less stayed with a snub for years off duty and back-up.

i avoided plastic guns for years......until i finally realized the writing was on the wall and admitted that polymer guns have a place.

Dang Ruger.........how dare they make a plastic revolver........but i am sold on teh magnum LCR. I had just about talked myself into a Ruger SP101 Wiley Clapp as a good belt gun........then i shot the LCR 3" and i am in conflict.............

beautiful steel, wood, and Novak sights







vs this.............



i still cringe when i look it........heck, they make a glock look good......

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You have to console yourself that only the LCR gripframe is plastic. That's how I looked at it when I bought both of mine.

I have my SP-101 in .22 for the all steel side of me, but use the rubber Hogue fingergroove grip, so no wood. They are an improvement over the wood insert factory grip, though.

My Bearcats; 100% steel and wood.......
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i was thinking about change over the years........

i started off with revolvers and then played with the autos when LEO's started to gravitate that direction....but more or less stayed with a snub for years off duty and back-up.

i avoided plastic guns for years......until i finally realized the writing was on the wall and admitted that polymer guns have a place.

Dang Ruger.........how dare they make a plastic revolver........but i am sold on teh magnum LCR. I had just about talked myself into a Ruger SP101 Wiley Clapp as a good belt gun........then i shot the LCR 3" and i am in conflict.............

beautiful steel, wood, and Novak sights







vs this.............



i still cringe when i look it........heck, they make a glock look good......
Yep, that SP101's a whole heap more looksome.
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What do you gain with the LCR, about 6 oz lower weight. No enough to get me to get rid of the SP. I'm bias so don't listen to me but I've put a few thousand rounds thru the SP over the years and it is still is as tight as when I bought it. I shoot 357's thru it and it's fun.

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If I were going to carry a revolver I would want a hammer-less version.
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Actually had the GP100 in the WC version and have to say, it was a terrific gun, but it was still a GP and just too heavy for me to comfortably carry. I do just as well with SP101 in 357 and it is definitely a better gun to carry.

Having tried so many guns as carry guns, now, I will no longer put down polymer guns. Even the SP feels a bit heavy at times. The only thing that counts with a carry gun is if they work and polymer guns work.

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Kimber...........I just got this in my email. Thought you might me interested.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols...Kimber+Micro+9
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Thanks. Looks like their answer to the Sig 938. Will have to take a look at one.
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Kimber...........I just got this in my email. Thought you might me interested.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols...Kimber+Micro+9
Ooh that is purty!
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