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Old 12-23-2016, 12:25 PM   #1
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I am considering a pocket pistol. I have an LCP in .380 but am now considering a 38+P. I don't intend to shoot .357 Mag from such a small pistol. For a few dollars more S&W Performance Center will do their thing to the action. Any thoughts would be very helpful.

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Old 12-23-2016, 01:57 PM   #2
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I pocket carry a stock 642 without the hole and it works for me. Mine shoots POA at 25 yards with 140 gr +P handloads and that is what I carry. The trigger was kind of stiff when I bought but is better after a few rounds downrange. I traded a 38 LCR in for mine and threw in either $50 or $75, I forgot. The sights are tough to see so I did my 3 step process for painting floro orange on the front sight. Figure when the chips are down put the front sight on the target and squeeze them off.

I imagine the one from the performance center is slicked up nicely and the wood grips are a nice touch. It's a looker for sure.

Truthfully I forget I have it in my pocket and believe it is ideal for that method of carry. I am in either jeans or cargo shorts. If I were wearing a suit or dress slacks then I might rethink pocket carry. If you have the LCP that would work for that situation.

I think you would like the 642.
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I see nothing wrong with the .380..but that's just me. I recently sold a Bersa 380 that my wife thought was a bit too snappy so her carry gun is a 36 year old S&W Model 31-1 in 32 s&w. That's a nice S&W you're lookin at. The .38 Special+P is a real stopper. If you choose the Smith I would recommend Hornady Critical Defense 125 JHP...that's what I carry in my Model 10. Hope you find what you want.

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Carried this for over ten years but not in a pocket.



The gun is similar to yours but allows access to the hammer, which I much prefer. They are accurate but the light weight makes them recoil quite sharply with +P loads, especially with 158 grain bullets. It was certainly usable but takes practice and was not fun to shoot. If you are used to and not sensitive to recoil you will probably like it.

Sorry I can't speak to pocket carry as I never do it. I used an IWB holster and it was excellent in that. When I broke my right shoulder I just moved the holster around to the left side and carried it butt forward. This actually worked so well I kept wearing it that way when I heeled. I did not go back to right side carry until I switched to a Kahr CW40 for EDC.
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Nowadays i prefer the ruger 357 LCR for the xtra few ounces......but i carry 38's in her..........i simply prefer the trigger and over-all features of the LCR.

That said, Smith offers big advantages in having multiple models in air-weight and heavier steel. Also, if you are planning on pocket carry and are especially fond of wranglers or Levi's, then the Smith has an additional advantage with choices in more trim and slick wood handles. The LCR std grips are on the large and somewhat tacky side.
The 38 will give you a great load selection in bullet weights and power ranges but be warned......an air-weight Smith or standard 38 LCR do get rather punishing with heavier or +P loads.......way more than that LCP.
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Have a lot of experience shooting these J frames, so here's my take.

For the little bit extra that the PC version costs over the standard, get the PC. It's a no brainer. It guarantees a nice action and trigger. Had one. Standard versions are a crap shoot. Some will have nice triggers and some, not so nice. Since the only way to shoot a 642 is in DA, that trigger is all the more important.

Those are carry grips. Nice looking grips, but carry grips. Period. For the sake of actual shooting, cheap Hogue finger grips beat them, hands down. Altamont also makes some fuller wood grips you might like. If you get the gun, I'll point you the right direction if you don't like those grips.

J frames require practice and some technique specific tweaks to shoot with accuracy. Doable, for sure, but I find small autos like my P938 to be much easier to shoot, out of the box and more accurate, to boot. A top notch shooter like you, though, should have no problem adapting. Just be ready to put in some range time.

My biggest gripe about Js is those %#@& sights. These are up close and personal guns, I know, but Smith is behind the times with these old skimpy gutter sights. Some of their higher end M&P J frames, though, have much improved and quite useable fixed sights. The M&P versions are crazy expensive, but much better sights. If you're set on a J, I'd take a look at those. Otherwise, go with Terry's paint setup.

Much prefer carrying Js in the IWB holsters.

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My thinking is being able to shoot repeatedly while the gun is in a jacket pocket. (up close). That should eliminate any semi-autos, as well as any pistol with a hammer. My paranoia may be getting the best of me, but I am seeing videos of people being attacked while pumping gas. Having a gun in hand and shooting through the jacket is much easier than struggling for your gun while someone is pounding on your head. I'm too old to fight and too tired to run, so I want to choose another option. I have read where the standard trigger is poor, but does improve with use, but I think it is worth the extra money to buy the PC. I don't intend to stop carrying my 30S on my hip. I'm just thinking of an additional carry weapon when my choice of clothing allows. Maybe I am thinking over the top, maybe I am just looking for a reason to carry an extra weapon, or maybe I need to drop the entire thought.....I am in the thinking stage and appreciate all the comments.
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You make a lot of sense to me, Sir. It is rarely cold enough here for a jacket but in colder areas a small revolver in a jacket pocket to compliment a better piece on the hip makes all kind of sense to me.
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I have carried my 638 with S&W dymond wood grips and a tyler t grip in a Mika pocket holster daily for many years. I carry 158 grain +P Federal Nyclads in it.

I had a model 49 for the longest time before that. I fired that through a jacket pocket without issue.

I agree with NCG, the performance center would be a good way to go.

One note of experience. About one quarter of the time, the holster comes out of the pocket with the gun. I need to get that holster to restore it's holding ability. Mika uses a material on the outside for that. I think I can get it to hold all the time again. A simple swipe clears the holster.
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It seems the Performance Center 642 will be with the internal lock, which I don't want. After the holidays I will contact them and see if they will do the trigger job on one without the internal lock. I found a good price at Bud's on a 642, no lock, but no trigger job for $386 shipped. I may buy that and worry about the trigger later. What do y'all think?
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After many years of CC, I settled on the Sig p938 9mm.
NCG has one and she can vouch for its easy concealment.
As for caliber, 9mm is .002" under the 38, and the new bulletrs are just as deadly.
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I am familiar with that pistol Kimber. It is a wonderful gun. However, I am looking for a hammerless revolver that could be fired through a jacket pocket. Semi-autos and revolvers with hammers may not work well in this situation.
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It seems the Performance Center 642 will be with the internal lock, which I don't want. After the holidays I will contact them and see if they will do the trigger job on one without the internal lock. I found a good price at Bud's on a 642, no lock, but no trigger job for $ 386 shipped. I may buy that and worry about the trigger later. What do y'all think?
That is what I did and is roughly the same as what I paid all in 2 years ago for mine. The trigger was stiff but smooth and loosened after a few rounds downrange. It wasn't that bad. My SP101 when I bought it had a nasty, gritty trigger that I smoothed by stripping down and following Iowegan's instructions in his book. I didn't work on the 642 trigger as I didn't feel it was necessary. Your results may vary. It will come with rubber grips and even with the +P's isn't that bad to shoot. I imagine it would be a handful with Buffalo Bore +P's as I haven't shot them thru it. The sights are the biggest disadvantage to accuracy but wasn't made for target shooting but for personal protection at distances measured in feet. To me the 3 step paint job is enough.

I view a CC weapon as a defensive tool that will help me/us to get away. Not looking to eliminate an entire gang just get out of town and live another day.
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Ridge, just an FYI. The S&W lock has never been an issue for me and I've owned a couple dozen Smiths with them, including a number of 44 mags and even the big 460. I certainly understand why the lock makes some folks nervous, but from what I have researched, the lock can be removed and the hole plugged. Might want to explore that option.
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I stopped carrying daily a couple years ago. The odds of me needing something is low and my defense is situation awareness and avoiding situations and locations. When I did carry it was almost always a 9mm. Either a Sig P226 or a Springfield XD. I bought a Beretta M9 but it was too clumsy to carry.
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Ridge, just an FYI. The S&W lock has never been an issue for me and I've owned a couple dozen Smiths with them, including a number of 44 mags and even the big 460. I certainly understand why the lock makes some folks nervous, but from what I have researched, the lock can be removed and the hole plugged. Might want to explore that option.
But, I just don't like the look of it, even with the plug, and it's got that ugly arrow on the side plate. I've watched videos on removing the lock, but the side plate looks ugly to me. I buy myself a Christmas present every year, and I am ready to buy....it's Christmas eve.....I'm running outta time..... Maybe I should overlook the side plate and focus on the trigger. I intend to tote this pistol a lot and it may end up scratched and worn anyways. It's all the lawyers fault. They had to be the ones to come up with the dumb lock.

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Yeah, they could have put the lock in a less obvious place. Other manufacturers have.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:24 AM   #18
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Looky....Looky....at what I found. Santa Claus is on his way.
S&W 442 (with a stainless cylinder), 38+P, polished stainless screws, polished trigger, and polished flutes on cylinder, synthetic clip grip, and NO internal lock...and Performance Center tuned action.
$ 469.99 including freight.
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That is so cool. Merry Christmas!

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Old 12-24-2016, 11:03 AM   #20
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Thanks. Let me get in some range time and I may take you up on grip advice. I was just looking at ammo. 38's are not as cheap to shoot as I thought.

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