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Old 04-05-2013, 02:25 PM   #1
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New Winchester Model 94 "Sporter"

New guy here. This is the third lever action rifle forum I've tried to join today and finally this one sent me an Email to get registered.....thank you! So, my question is.....am I going to like my new Winchester Model 94, 30-30, "Sporter" that I ordered? The name sucks..."Sporter".....sheesh, so sissy, but it has a couple features I like....crescent butt plate and 24" octagon/round barrel. I've read the "rebounding hammer" is "useless" and even causes "no-fires". I have two Uberti 1873 replica Winchesters which I like very much with the traditional half-cock hammers for safe but the rebounding hammer is something I do not understand.....what's the point of having the hammer automatically rebound to the half-cock position after the cartridge has fired? Once you eject the shell and shove a fresh shell into the chamber you either have to put the tang safety on or lower the hammer manually to half cock to make it safe.....so what's the point of the rebounding hammer?? Otherwise, am I going to like this, "genuine"....Japanese made Winchester?

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VR
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:07 PM   #2
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We have people who know infinitatly more about these actions than I do but in general a rebounding hammer is not sitting on the firing pin when lowered so if the hammer is down with a cartridge chambered, a blow to the hammer will not be transmitted through the firing pin to the primer. Usually a block pushes the hammer back and blocks it when the trigger is released. The hammer can only touch the firing pin when the trigger is pulled. I am much more familiar with these in handguns so I will bow to the lever action experts here, and we do have some real experts with extensive experience and knowledge.

I prefer a lever action with the half cock notch.
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Okay, that makes some sense. I assumed you could lower the hammer to rest on the firing pin but no one does that with a live cartridge unless they want to risk an accidental discharge.....so here we have a hammer that apparently can't be lowered to the firing pin......I guess I can live with that.

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Machinist is right, of course. It is a "modern" safety feature, though, like you, I could take it or leave it. Same with that tang safety.

As to firing issues, I think that is forum horse pucky. Just folks with a grudge against the lawyer proofing. I have a beautiful Winchester/Miroku 1892 in 357 and it is such a beautiful gun both in terms of quality and shooting, that the rebounding hammer and safety is a non-issue to me and I am very traditional. Hey, you still gotta throw the lever or thumb the hammer to shoot it and that is close enough to me. I have a pre 64 Model 94 and four old Marlins and none of them match up to the Miroku as far as precision and machine work. I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep about the hammer thing.

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Old 04-05-2013, 06:14 PM   #5
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Pallidin, Welcome to the forum.
I am a newbie to the lever gun world. Just shot my brand new Henry Mare's Leg. Technically a pistol but getting me in the door for a full sized rifle down the road. Absolute blast to shoot and working the lever to chamber a round felt natural. Hope you enjoy your new rifle as well as I am loving my new pistol.

Can't help showing her off.
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It is not just for when the hammer is down on a live round. It is mainly to catch the hammer should the full cock notch fail. Even if the hammer falls due to a bump or broken sear the hammer will not hit the firing pin if the trigger is not pulled. This is the main function.
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RetiredSeaBee,
I don't really want that configuration but it is a good looking gun and the enthusiasm of people here has made me see they have more virtue than I had given them credit for. I hope you have a great time with it.
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I love rebounding hammer . Thompson Center Contender and Encore , Bond Derringer , H&R shotguns all use rebound hammer so you don't get a slam fire if you close the action on a live round if you forget to put it on 1/2 cock . Remember there are tons of roomers floating around that are BS , started by people who have idea how thing work and don't take the time to look into it .
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I love rebounding hammer . Thompson Center Contender and Encore , Bond Derringer , H&R shotguns all use rebound hammer so you don't get a slam fire if you close the action on a live round if you forget to put it on 1/2 cock . Remember there are tons of roomers floating around that are BS , started by people who have idea how thing work and don't take the time to look into it .
Excellent! +1
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Pallidin ... Welcome to the forum . I lived and worked in El Cajon for 30 yrs and shot at 4 different gun clubs there . I left a ton of shooting buddy there and miss all the matches I shot there .

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I love rebounding hammer . Thompson Center Contender and Encore , Bond Derringer , H&R shotguns all use rebound hammer so you don't get a slam fire if you close the action on a live round if you forget to put it on 1/2 cock . Remember there are tons of roomers floating around that are BS , started by people who have idea how thing work and don't take the time to look into it .
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Thanks for all the replies. Now I've got a better understanding of what the rebounding hammer is about and looking forward to using my new rifle when I can finally get it in my hands after it arrives and the ten day waiting period is over.

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Hey whats wrong with the name Sporter. Sounds like a corvette or something.
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Hey whats wrong with the name Sporter. Sounds like a corvette or something.
Okay, but to me, "Sporter" sounds too much like, "supporter"......
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Okay, but to me, "Sporter" sounds too much like, "supporter"......
Well, we do have 94 supporters here ...probably even more.
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Hey, I earn my own. Welcome Sir to the playground.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:45 PM   #17
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I got my new Winchester Sporter 30-30 rifle yesterday after the 10 day waiting period......no waiting period for criminals......ain't that swell? Anyway, now I have first hand knowledge of the rebounding hammer.....at first it was a bit weird but now I see the virtues.......there are several but the greatest is that the tang safety/rebounding hammer does not prevent the hammer from falling or being cocked or emptying/unloading the magazine by cycling the lever.....but it does prevent the hammer from touching the firing pin unless you are in full cock with the safety off. I like it......my two 1873 Winchesters are great guns but they make me nervous when at the range and sometimes having to unload an entire magazine via cycling the lever with no assurance that I might accidently touch the trigger or it fails somehow when cycling the lever. Also no guarantee with this new gun but I think it improves safety in your favor greatly.

This Japanese made gun is gorgeous...... the fit, the finish and the function is super. My only beef is it costs about double what I consider a fair price.

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Where is the pics .
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The classic lever actions suffer from the same factor that hurts the classic S&W and Colt revolvers, they were designed at a time when hand fitting was much cheaper and was the only way to make precision mechanisms. Precision machined forgings are costly these days. Japanese manufacturing is top of the line these days but the prices do reflect it.
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The classic lever actions suffer from the same factor that hurts the classic S&W and Colt revolvers, they were designed at a time when hand fitting was much cheaper and was the only way to make precision mechanisms. Precision machined forgings are costly these days. Japanese manufacturing is top of the line these days but the prices do reflect it.
I tried to copy your avatar earlier this afternoon. Don't know why I couldn't copy it but I sure gave it a whirl. Then I searched the Internet and Have Gun Will Travel, etc. and still couldn't find the classic horse's head that was on Palladin's holster.....like yours......bummer.

I think it would go well with my forum handle. You should give me yours and I'll find something more appropriate for you.......like a picture of a CNC machine or lathe.
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