Snuffy

A while back I was posting about putting in short stroke kits in my lever guns. As I remember it you we saying that it weakens the action. I have talked with several other cas shooters and we can't see or understand how that could be. The lock up in the action is the same nothing is changed there. Could ya clear this mystery up for us so we could better understand how it weakens the action.

tx gun runner

You will never have a problem with SASS/CAS loads . When you change lever and link you lose levelage on lockup on the kit I had . Weaken is not the correct word you are changing the rocker ratio of the link . If stock is 1.5 and mod is 1.8 which open faster , farther and close faster , but you lose a little over center lockup ratio . The toggle system in 66/73 will not handle psi the 92 /94 cross bar system . .

http://www.pioneergunworks.com/uploads/ ... nstall.pdf

Snuffy

They will handle factory loads short stroke or not, correct? I know several shooters that have short stroke kits in their rifles that shoot full load black powder. I am not comparing 66's and 73's to 92 or the 94.

tx gun runner

In a 92 the lockup is not change cause of cross bolt unlike the toggle system . In 1969 hot rodders put 2" offset rim on Ford's mid size car to get the Pontac wide track look and the top ball joint torn out of the upper "A" arms some of them with this minor change . Level 3 loads can be shot in modern 66/73 and the original gun with old steel level 2 loads are max . Now with the modified toggled system who knows ??

Snuffy

My post was not on the 92 or the 94 period, nor do I shoot black powder or do I care too period. I have asked folks that I know that load black powder they have no idea what your talking about with the level 2 or 3 loads, none of my reloading books have anything on it either. But then again my post was on the short stroking on the 66 and 73 period. I am still wonder why you have brought cars in to the post I guess to try and prove your point. Still what does it have to do with short stroking the 66 and 73 rifles?
After talking with several gunsmiths they are of the opinon that the lock up in the rifles are the same as before short stroking.

JOHNNY WACKO

You can lead a horse to water,but he still cant talk like Mr.Edd!!!

every action has a counter reaction.
The car story was a example of sorts.
Bad choice to someone who knows nothing about cars.
You need a better simulation there gun runner!!

Snuffy

Point taken sir thank you.

tx gun runner

The paste below will give you infor on the 3 loading levels and at bottom of page it has the 3 different levers with PSI readings . This not your cal but it will tell you about the different loading LEVERS that no ones what I'm taking about .

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3220wcf.htm

JOHNNY WACKO

The point of leverage,like using a longer bar will give you more prying strength then will a short bar will.

Like taking off lug nuts on a flat tire.If you hold your hand all the way back on the tire iron you can brake the nuts loose easier .or using a longer tool will give you more torque on a bolt.shorter will give you less.

Sorry all i can think of is car related examples too.

tx gun runner

It needs to draw it out to show someone what you are taking about . Leverage is hard to tell . Take a broom stick and hold it straight out . Put a 1lb weight 6" from your hand hold it out and then slide it out 6" more , it will be harder to hold up , then slide out to the end and it would be super hard to hold up . It's the same broom stick and the same 1lb only the leverage is different ..... I load 44-40 in 3 level . Level 1 is like for Colt pistol , level 2 is for older rifle which is the same as factory , level 3 modern 92 rifle and Ruger only and meets 44 mag spec .

Snuffy

Thanks for the site its what I needed, should I ever want to shoot black powder. How ever I don't think I will in my life time. Still it has nothing to do with me short stroking my rifles for cas, And they will handle factory loaded ammo should I decide to shoot factory loaded ammo. Should I start hunting again I have my Marlin 30-30 or my Marlin 45-70 or my Savage 99's in 303 Savage and 300 Savage.. Of course if I need more killing power than that there is almost my 338 Win Mag. I am sure I'll be able to get the job done.

tx gun runner

Factory ammo in 44-40 and 45LC [ I don't which cal you have ] are loaded to level 2 and you should not any problems in a 73 clone with a short stroke . Level 3 or Ruger only load COULD be a problem . This guy lost 2 fingers , I found this on the net . This is level 4

Machinist

Damn!! That was level poop my pants!

Snuffy

Your point is well taken, I do have a question was that factory loaded ammo or reloads? And that doesn't look like it started out as 45 Colt or 44-40 either. As I have said many times all the bang doesn't mean anything unless ya can hit the target. That ammo had a lot of bang, I don't load anything hot as its for sass only. I Always start at the starting loads, most of the time for the rifles that I use to hunt with most of the time they were middle of the road.

Bountyhunter

Level 4, huh?

Snuffy

Yea one of them boys that loves those hot loads lol. Wonder how he likes those hot loads now??? A lot of bang doesn't always mean that your going to hit the target. Like old Gus in Lonesom Dove hit that guy with his rifle he thought he was way out of range lol. Sure made his day lol.

Bountyhunter

That was a great movie. I have it on DVD.

Snuffy

It is Gus he is the best part of the whole movie for me.