XLCH

Dose anyone here use this, is it all they say it is?
http://www.neconos.com/details3.htm

kim

Don't know about that program, but everything else I've seen and used from them has been top of the line. That help?


Molon Labe

Kim

XLCH

Yep it dose, Thanks, everything I have read is very positive for the program, looks like I could forget about the reloading books and do it with this program and there updates.

sheepdog

...save your old manuals...there will come a time that the electrons ain't flowin'...

XLCH

+1, you got that right.

Snuffy

I still have mine that is 33 years old or better, still use it from time to time.

Terry_P

Iowegan uses something like that and swears by it. I have looked at a couple of ballistic programs and then always think about how many bullets and pounds of powder I could buy with the $150 + instead. I didn't look at this one in depth but some give you neat stuff like what if's with potential loads. For example you have a 4" BBL with bullet weight, primer and powder charge what will the velocity be and the pressure created. They will also give the trajectory for that load as well as sight in details. As I said I didn't look to see if this program will do all of that but If I were going to buy I'd download the demo to try and see if it would give me what I need. A drawback I have found is the amount of detail you need to enter to get your results means more time sitting in front of the computer and less time shooting.

XLCH

Like I need more time in front of the computer, but I have gotten quick load and only played with it a short time. When I head north were there is no internet distractions I’m going to learn it. Nice not to have TV or internet and no phone sometimes.

sheepdog

...north wherewhatwhen are you goin???

tx gun runner

I have over 10 reloading manuals and there is only 3 that I have total faith in and worth a $hit . I get idea off the web sights , but my 3 reloading manuals are the last word . I NEVER take 1 book or web sight loading data , without checking it out in 2 other places or book . .

sheepdog

...have you got a Speer #8???

tx gun runner

I have a #5 , #7 , #8 and #10 Speer

sheepdog

...in your #8, under .35 Rem...is there a sidebar loading for a 125gr. JHP load????

tx gun runner

NO ... This is in the #10

sheepdog

...nope...thanks...the #8 actually printed in 3 revisions...one had that loading and a writeup in a little sidebar...I'll find one someday, maybe...appreciate the comeback...


...this will explain-from another site: YES, A WARNING! I received a cautionary bit of IMPORTANT ADVICE last night while visiting the Cast Boolit web site. The first two reloading manuals I bought, in 1972, were the Speer No. 8 and the Lyman 45th Editions, both published in 1970. It has become known over time that the data collected and published in the Speer No. 8 Manual is now SUSPECT AND IN FACT DANGEROUS in regards to various cartridges, especially handguns.

In the Speer No. 10 Reloading Manual, page 107, it is stated...."The data in the Number 8 and earlier manuals was based on primer appearance, ease of case extraction, and case head expansion. These methods are still valid, and are the only ways the reloader can estimate the safety of his loads without some rather complicated laboratory equipment."

A member of Cast Boolits, Dale53, was alert enough to inform me that the Speer No. 8 Manual data had been found to be erroneous and very dangerous when new "pressure testing" data became available. Revisons were subsequently published in the Speer No. 9 Manual.

I did a comparison of .38 Special and .45 Colt data between my copies of the No.8 and No.10 manuals and even looked at other newer manuals from Lyman, Hornady and Lee, which all confirmed that the Speer No. 8 data was erroneous and should be considered dangerous. Some of my comparisons disclosed MAXIMUM loads from the No.8 Manual for .38 Special cartridges were as much as 2 1/2 grains higher than the newer "pressure barrel" data. Differences of 1 to 2 1/2 grains of powder in various loadings represent as much as 12 to 25 percent higher powder weights than are recommended by todays instrumented MAXIMUM LOADS!

Dale53 had a Speer No. 8 Manual load that was 1 grain below MAXIMUM tested by a friend who works at a commercial ammunition manufacturer. The round(s) disclosed an instrumented pressure in excess of 67,000 units of pressure! Dale53 was astounded as he had not experienced any extraction or primer pocket problems or signs in his S&W Model 19. A friend of his shooting this same load in a S&W M28 did have extraction problems which prompted Dale to have the load tested.

I am most appreciative for the "heads up" advice of this gentleman, Dale53 from Cast Boolits, who was very alert and diligent in catching and informing me of this "old manual data" danger that is still lurking in the tall grass of ignorance.

Lesson learned.....refer to other manuals and newer published works from the companies that do the testing.

I used FFF's Quick Links to determine if this subject were archived or posted in the past and found no mention of the Speer No. 8 Manual being suspect.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON in your future personal dealings and conversations with others when you discuss or correspond in matters of reloading manual data. Thanks!

XLCH

North is Kalkaska, and I my go at any time, if there is no jobs that need doing I’m out of here.
Were I stay there is no land line, or cable etc, go there to relax and play with my Jeep and guns.

sheepdog

...no phone...heaven!!!

XLCH

Just have to turn off the cell

sheepdog

...about a week in solitude is good for anyone...for some, it'd be good for the ones who didn't go!!!

tx gun runner

Quote:

Originally Posted by tx gun runner I NEVER take 1 book or web sight loading data , without checking it out in 2 other places or book . .

Yes I know the #8 Speer book in on the hot side ... I use the Lyman #44 and Cast bullet handbook 90% of the time as a GUILD . I feel if you don't know how to read pressure you shouldn't be reloading anything within 20% of max loads anyway . The load you developed for one gun near max is not safe in another gun . I only reload 45 ACP and 44-40 [ both are under 800 FPS ] all the rest of my ammo is custom or taylor made for each pistol or rifle and are label accordingly ....