Snuffy

The best of both worlds I think its got more than the 357 mag can give but not as much as the 44 mag. From what I have read and been told it was made for law enforcement. The down side of it was it was in the N frame smith a lot of gun to carry day in day out. I personal then another good one for law enforcement is the 45 colt. But most of the law enforcement have gone to the semi autos. I really question that, can they really shoot them better than a revoler?
I know several gun dealers and most of them tell me that the police are the worse customers, when I was growing up I was under the impression the the police knew alot about fire arms. I have since learned that for the most part that is not the case. Yes I know they go through an academy and are suppose to be trained. But I still hear that the adervage civilain can out shoot the police. Well lets see hear, if its at the range shooting paper targets I believe that to be true but if its where the target ( meaning the bad guy ) is shoting back I would say that the adverage civilain might have to clean his pants out.
I have heard and know about carrying a gun in a hoslter all day long. I do that at work myself. Now lets concider the equipment the police has to carry beides a gun and spare ammo they have to carry a radio, some also carry pepper spray. And the list can go on and on, bottom line with the weight of the 41 and 45 and the ammo does it make since to carry a auto and the spare mags? Ok faster reload, which is faster? the auto does hold more rounds true. Howe much fire power is needed?
Ok now this can run along fine and dandy as long as there is not pokin the bear so to speak. Not bittin either sheepdog doesn't have goo teeth not that he ever did.

sheepdog

...revolver shooters tended to place rounds more carefully than megamag wondernine carriers...exceptions on both sides...I wouldn't mind policing with either the .41, .44Spl, or .45Colt...heavy and slow are good...my gunbelt/gear that I carried weighed around 28 pounds...now, I weigh about 13 lbs...less in the skin(don't look, Ethel!!!)than walking out dressed...that includes clothes/shoes as well as "necessary" stuff to carry...never bothered me...I wasn't chasin' anyways...I've had the sound of an 870 racking cause 'em to burn half the rubber off their Converse Allstars trying to stop...

Snuffy

Good point and there is nothing wrong with the 44 sp. Dang fine round.

tx gun runner

WOW......28 lbs of crap How can you run and catch bad guys with all that stuff . And I bitch about carrying 1911 or Vaquero compare to my Kahr or Glock all day ....

sheepdog

...I was young, strong, foolish, and I didn't run...they did...I could thunder down the alley and freeze 'em in their tracks back then...no more...but I'm not so bad off I can't carry a .45...and enough ammo....

Snuffy

In his day they wrote tickets on rocks lol.

44s Rock

That's Stone Tablets to you!

Machinist

Snuffy

See there I knew you were old

sheepdog

...yeah, but we could really hammer home our point and make a deep impression!!!

Snuffy

Ya think

sheepdog

...yeah, Snuffer, and you don't have to be a rock-it scientist to figure that one out!!!

44s Rock

Snuffy

Are you sure about that?

deputy125

i think remington has abandoned the 41 all-together....
when introduced, they had two loads, and the LEO load was a reduced LWC that reportedly caused a lot of barrel leading problems.

Winchester still has the silvertip which is probably the best LEO available at the moment.

LEO's certainly have abandoned the large "N" frames i guess because of size/weight concerns.....though it would seem an "L" frame smith is just as heavy if not more so........figure that one out...

then there is the 10mm.....touted as the 41 mag of the semi's.......it seems to have died just as the 41 did in full power configurations and thought of more nowadays as a hunting round than a defense round....just like the 41.

Also, teh avg leo nowadays is certainly no pistolero.....leo's are no longer really gun nuts with a gun background....swat wannabe's excluded.......and to be honest, some of these boys are still dangerous on both ends of the gun with little common sense between the ears when their attitude is taken into account.......but that is opinion.

Snuffy

Good point deputy

Terry_P

There is a round out called the 41 special and it's a wildcat and basically a cut down version (1.16" case) of the 41 mag. Probably another of those cartridges created without a reason but has potential. I don't believe it is being manufactured other than as custom ammo but if it had come out earlier it may have helped the 41 mag. I have never owned the caliber but those that do swear by it. I have a couple of 44 mags and get a good variety of loads from them.

As to the 41 mags development I thought Skeeter and Jeff Cooper were involved but that is from the recesses of my mind where a lot of mis-information seems to dwell.

Machinist

I seem to recall Bill Jordan being involved but I think he wanted something closer to your .41 Spec as a police load. The .41 Magnum was too much for that. I don't seem to recall Cooper thinking much of the .41 as he felt it was too close to the .44 Magnum in recoil and blast to justify the smaller bullet. That was a lot of years and brain cells ago so I could be wrong.

I would like the idea of a .41 Spec if it was offered in an L frame but it doesn't seem to make as much sense in the N frame given the availability of the .41 Magnum. In the L frame it would offer a larger heavier bullet in a handier, more compact package. I thought the 696 would have been a fine holster gun with a 4" or 5" barrel. The three inch was too short for that and the gun was too bulky for concealed carry, an uncomfortable mix, particularly given the weaker ballistics from the shorter barrel. A six shot K frame .357 or a seven shot L frame .357 made more sense. With the longer sight radius and better velocity of a longer barrel the 696 would have made a very nice gun for the field.

jimbo1096

SD - tell them - back in those days when a cop said drop and freeze the perfs usually did, 'cause they knew they'd get their head bounced if they didn't mind. Before all this PC crap and video phones and cameras on every corner, The cops had respect and knew their jobs. A 2 1/4' leather duty belt, 7 snap keepers, 357 revolver & leather holster, leather case and two speedloaders w/12 rounds of ammo, handcuffs w/case, and a spare sometimes, mace, a sheathed folder knife, oak wood baton and belt ring, all this on top of the regular wide leather pants belt. The duty belt was pretty full at that point.
Now they add a taser and delete the baton ring on the left (weak) side.
When you went to chase a bad guy they could hear you coming.
We regularly had patrol duty officers that could not pass the semi annual quals, without coaching.

sheepdog

...I've seen guys carry a 6" Model 29, a 6" Model 27 (5 1/2")...but most carried 4" .38 or .357 till they issued...six loops on a slide with green verdegris holding the spare ammo in place was common...dump pouches were rare...speed strips more so...I had the first speedloaders(Safariland) on the dept...the first Prosecutor...most carried straight sticks...carried a 10" flat sap for a few years...yet the respect(fear) was there because no media was there watching...no cellphone cams...no video recorders...tape recorders were reel-to-reel...you did what you had to do and wrote it like it needed to be written...and that was the way it was...if they'd made the .41 round lower recoil...around 900fps...it would have been better...I carried it awhile, but it beat the snot outa you when you shot it...the .45 won out easily...I wanted one reamed out to .44Spl but the money was just outa reach...we had cops with their guns rusted to the holster...had a Sgt. shot because he couldn't reload for the green on his shells...smashed his hand for life...I was hard as nails on my rookies and told them what to carry and what to buy and how to do things and wouldn't let them touch the radio, shotgun, or drive...I'm sure they started out hating me...but they all retired safely...I won...smooth and easy don't often work...