sheepdog

http://www.bobergarms.com/

http://www.bobergarms.com/video/boberg-xr9s-rapid-fire

XLCH

Interesting

gunman42782

Never heard of em.

sheepdog

...me, too...and me, too...

Montanan

Very nice, but I would have to handle one as that grip looks as fat as a glock.

Bountyhunter

That makes my Glock look pretty.

Machinist

The only thing that would help the looks of your Glock is for Jen to hold it.

44s Rock

Obviously not a glock fan!

Machinist

sheepdog

...there are creatures...and there are animals...Glocks are animals...

Bountyhunter

Sometimes an animal is just what the situation calls for.

sheepdog

...for sure...I've fired the 17 or 19 each time I qualified for CHL...it's hard to make them miss...kinda like gettin' a kiss from an ugly woman...it's warm and wet...you just wanna be SURE your eyes are closed and you don't peek...

44s Rock

Kinda fits your nature!

Bountyhunter

Might be why I get along with it so well.

Wizard

$949 for an introductory price.......they are real proud of the gun......

Machinist

Ouch!! I think I want it better proven before looking at Sig prices. It is a clever idea and I hope it works well and is a success. I just am rather conservative about firearms, particularly when they add the complexity and potential problems this design does.

Time will tell.

Lash

Hmmm it doesnt look that revolutionary, but interesting it can use +P ammo.

Machinist

The innovation is that it pulls the cartridge back out of the magazine so the barrel can extend farther back and be longer than a conventional design, overlapping the cartridges in the magazine . The problem is that this means instead of just pushing the cartridge forward out of the magazine it has to grip it during the fastest part of the slide travel, pull it back behind the barrel, tip it up inline with the chamber, and feed it in. Belt and clip fed machine guns do this but they have heavy parts and more room to get it all right. This has to do it all in very limited time and space from a spring fed magazine and requires a longer than normal slide travel in a very compact gun.

This will have to be tested over time.

sheepdog

...and a very limited time at that...

Machinist

Dan,
+P ammo in 9mm is not a big deal. American makers started loading the 9mm down after the war because so many poorly made or worn out trophies were coming back. I think a big part was the number of Italian Glisentis (sp) that were brought back. This was a straight blowback gun chambered for a low pressure cartridge like the .380 but with a longer case like the 9mm Luger. The Italian ammo was hard to find and people found that they would chamber the 9mm rounds which were cheap and plentiful. This led to problems and the factories loaded their commercial ammo much lower than the original military ammo. It was not uncommon for Lugers to be unreliable with factory ammo in the 1970s as they are pressure sensitive and the factory ammo was just too low. A friend had a custom loader make him a batch of hotter ammo just for his Lugers and it made them reliable again. Guns based on the Browning system are much more flexible about this. The ballistics I see on modern +P ammo seems about like the older listed numbers for mil spec ammo. Some of the hotter loads like Corbon or the +P+ loads are a different matter.

Please pardon me if I'm talking in your specialty. I run on at the mouth, as many here will confirm.