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Old 06-06-2010, 02:44 PM   #1
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Astra cub..

I don't know why but i have been watching these in 22 short, yes they have a 22 short only pistol-22 long rifle and 25 auto.
Since money is tight I'm going to add some cheap little pistols and rifles Ive been wanting.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =171973577


Carcano with the fixed bayonet .
Astra 400 , 600.
savage 1907.

and on and on....
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Old 06-06-2010, 03:43 PM   #2
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Those 25 acp pistols are worthless. They all jam and the round is like a BB.
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Its not for shooting..Its like the piece of candy the Indian cared around in the outlaw Josey Wales..Not for eating just for looken.
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the little vest pocket autos are nice...............

last one i had i think was a FIE titan..........little sucker was actually purty reliable.

a 22 short would be fun and useful as at least a back-up for a back-up in deep concealment.........just might fit some watch pockets.

A local leo just got his mini backup............a NAA 22 LR with short barrel to back up his snub 38 which backs his glock.

besides..............these little "mini's" tick off the brady bunch big time.............just more cause to buy one........
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...the little Beretta .22Lr and the Walther TPH...CCI Stingers...pretty potent for a last chance...but the .22 short put down more men on the street than any other caliber back in the 70s...not even hollow points..some of them over a chicky leg...
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Yep, th' Cub IS fun...got one, n' it's simply a "fun" little shooter...tho' it'll do fer snakes and small critters. The Astra is fairly accurate, given the barrel length, but practical distance isn't great, unless you've got the 4" version called, I think, the Camper. The long-lived Beretta 950 models. both .22 S/.25 ACP, are very much like the Astra series.

Got one in .25 also. Works flawlessly. Most well-made .25's do function nicely, as the majority of rounds fired are FMJ. Astra has an interesting history, and over time made some nice weapons.

The little "vest-pocket" pistols were "state of the art" not all that long ago and, while not giants ballistically, sure downed many an evil-doer or at least made them th' sickest pup in th' local ER. Heck, I've even noticed th' .25 in the top pocket of my uniform shirt now n' then.....
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Those 25 acp pistols are worthless. They all jam and the round is like a BB.
Could not agree more, Shawn. I would much rather have a good .22LR than a .25 ACP. IMHO, the absolute worst cartridge ever invented, at least that is still in production.
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I think I would have to respectfully disagree. The .25 is more reliable than the .22 rim-fire and I don't think the .22 LR gets significantly more velocity from these pocket autos, not enough to compensate for the extra weight of the .25 ACP with it's 50 grain bullet. I am no fan of this caliber but I would prefer it to nothing and would chose it over the rimfire in guns like the Beretta 950 or 21. Rimfire rounds do not take well to daily carry on the person. When I had the Beretta 21 the bullets would loosen, the rounds would go dud, and the gun was not reliable unless very clean and well oiled, with fresh ammo. If faced with carrying one I would go with the .25 with FMJ for penetration. There is not enough energy to penetrate reliably with expanding bullets. Reliability is the first priority.

Your experience may vary but mine was not good and I really wanted it to work with the .22 LR rounds. In a little bigger gun it might be different, though the ammo is still less durable and should be rotated often.
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As for power I think it is closer to #4 buckshot, isn't it? I rarely hear that dismissed as useless.

Well made .25s are as reliable as any small auto.
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I watched a show where a cop was wreastling with a bad guy in the front seat of his car and was shot in the face point blank 5 times and he survived. The 25 acp stopped at the bone. He kept the gun and the bullets and had a display case made up. I think a 22 LR would have done more damage. I've never owned a 25acp, but know people who have, including family, and they were all junk. Maybe a better one would be more reliable, but I'd rather have the 22.
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Just a bit of "Astra" info...from 1957 thru 1968 Colt, not having a "vest-pocket" .25 pistol in inventory since the early WW-2 era and apparently percieving a market for same, contracted with Astra for the production of the Colt Junior in either .22 short or .25ACP. The Junior is essentially the Astra Cub, but having an exclusive SN range, with the number preceding the letters "cc". The contractual relationship between Astra and Colt ended with the onset of the 1968 GCA, which banned the import of the Cub and other like weapons. At one time, a conversion kit could even be purchased, allowing one to change from .25 to .22 short for plinkin' or cheap practice.

Interestingly enough, Colt, apparently still satisfied with the Junior, arranged for continued manufacture in the US lasting, I think, until about 73 or 74. I've heard, but don't know for sure... that Iver Johnson made the post-68 pistols...
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...having seen the results of a few dozen shootings involving .22short, short HP, long, long rifle, and long rifle HP, as well as a few .25...(ball)...I'd rather be shot with the .25...cleaner and less deforming and damaging bullet...less bouncing around...and I'd rather shoot with the .22...in any of the three sizes...s,l,lr...I've carried a .22 revolver as backup legally and as my defense not so legally a lot of years...I've never found a modern .22 round not go off...some old WWII-era green box Remington had a few misses...I've shot mostly Remington...and been happy with them...if I had to choose between a .25 auto in any make or model...and a .22 short ball for defense...the .22 would be the choice in any reliable gun...for most semiautos, that would be a .22 LR...but the short would be preferred over the .25 by this old dog...
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I had a Jr Colt in 68 and it was a 25acp and it never jammed . Well made gun and easy to take down for cleaning . There is nothing wrong with a 25 acp if you have a 45 acp for a backup
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...dang, I knew there was something I liked about you!!!
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Re: Astra cub..

i was under the impression that the 25acp was developed because of reliability problems in feeding the "rimmed" rimfires in small autos..........

I also think part of the negative press on the 25 acp is the "quality" of the autos that the round is associated with........such as raven and lorcin.
My titan was very reliable.

Have ya'll priced 25acp lately?

I have been reading here and there that NAA revolver shooters frequently change out ammo due to issues with the rimfire ammo over time. No experience on my part to go on there...........just reading about the experience of others who constantly pocket carry.

I still am experienceing a few misfires with bulk federal and DEFINATE problems with remington "golden" bullets. However, CCI has had zero issues and if choosing a rimfire for defense it would be CCI without question.
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...this has some good history on the Cub...

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/new ... g-25-acps/
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You can not compare a junk .25 with a quality .22 and think it means anything. In any quality of gun the .25 will be more reliable than the .22.

Dog, I did mention a .22 in a comparable short barrel. A 29 grain .22 short from one of these pocket autos goes little if any faster than a 50 grain .25. When you talk a revolver you are talking a 1 1/2" cylinder plus at least a 2" barrel. Of course 3 1/2 " of barrel will produce more velocity than a 2" auto. A 16" rifle barrel will give more yet.

If at all possible I want a service caliber. I would hope for at least a .380, but if my choice is bare hands and bad words or a .25 I will be happy to have a .25. In the same gun a .25, as poor as it is, is more powerful and more reliable than a .22 short, and I think that also applies to a .22 LR FROM THE SAME GUN.

I don't want to get into a knife fight with a steak knife either but it beats a bare hand and harsh look.

I agree I would prefer to be shot with a .25 over a .22 but that is because of the .22s lack of penetration, tendency to wander, and dirty bullet. None of these help end a fight so I will take the greater penetration of the .25, inadequate as it is, because it has more chance of reaching a vital spot than the .22 WHEN FIRED FROM THE SAME LENGTH BARREL.

I don't own anything smaller than the .380 LCP and would not buy a .25 unless a good one was offered at a cheap price. I would not carry it even then.
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...this has some good history on the Cub...

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/new ... g-25-acps/
nice article.......though i do not consider the raven as that reliable. But most of the ones i've runned across were not in the best of shape.
Lorcins........don't think i ever got thru a magazine in any caliber w/o a stoppage.

I probably will before i die get another titan 25 just because i like the exposed hammer and the size.......unless i run across a beretta jetfire that's affordable.

Who knows..........might accidently run across an astra one of these days.
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and while we are talking astra's, how scarce are the magazines?

That was a problem with my titan was finding a replacment mag when mine cratered..............
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