Snuffy

Yep, happened to the other one, glad I got 2 left and the 4 th one coming into day if its the right one. So much for Ruger rep now. Ofcourse their sorry, well lets see if the other guns break on me at the big match next week I won't anything good to say about Ruger.

44s Rock

deputy125

what broke on this one????

Snuffy

Same thing the pawl, Rugers at least the new ones will not hold up. Thought I was doing good but have found out that I shouldn't have trade in the first place could have just kept my old ones wouldn't have been fast but at least they would still be shooting.

XLCH

What part of the pawl is braking? Can you take a pic of the broken ones?

Snuffy

Its the top part of the pawl, I don't have the first one any more and the second one is in the gun going back to Ruger. So much for American made

XLCH

Are you fanning the gun?

Snuffy

Nope, I did both of them with my thumb on the same hand I was holding the gun in. I have got to stop taking vitamins I guess. I know that things happen and things can be fixed, I also know that Sass is just a game nothing more. But I look at any of my guns to be the one that will or is going to save my life. Its what I expect out of any gun that I own or buy. I don't care who makes them as long as they shoot when I want them to shoot and hit where I want them to hit when I do my part and aim correctly. When the gun or guns in this case then they have failed to save my life. Everytime I go to the range I shoot with the idea in the back of my head that I shoot because I love to shoot. And also to some day if need to be be able to save my life. To me its the same with ammo if it fails to fire its junk to me, same with cars trucks what ever it is if doesn't work when I want or need it to work then what good is it?
I can't remember ever having this much trouble with a Ruger, but right now to nite I am thinking they hired someone from Rg to work at their plant. Its not looking good for Ruger with me these days. And of course with the internet how many people come just here and read everything that is typed. And how many people are they going to tell. Sure they are going to fix the gun and pay shipping both ways great. But I am just going to ask this one question, what if my life depended on that gun to fire?
Deputy every day or nite he holsters his gun he is trusting that gun to work first time everytime to not only save his life as well as others lives as well. I am not happy and of course I will never have the trust I once did with Ruger ever again. It's not like I have fired that gun hundreds of times and have it several years with hard conditions it might have gone through.
My TTN double barrel shotgun is made in China and it has never once failed, if does now I know its had 2 1/2 years of very hard service to me. I know I can depend on it I trust it. I don't the Rugers now, once ok maybe but now its twice. Once really was enough for me, let Ruger or anyone else get a bad check from me or anyone else and see how friendly they are. Not so friendly they automatically turn you over to a collection agent.

XLCH

Snuffy I have not seen or heard much about the pawl braking on the net or else were. I would like to here what Ruger has to say about the repair when you get it back. I been thinking real hard about what could cause something like this to happen one two guns. How close were the serial numbers?

Machinist

Sorry Snuffy. I do know the feeling you are talking about.

Snuffy

last three numbers 762 and 923 nit close but so far a part. I have heard everything under the sun from I did something to make it happen to I was shooting too hot of ammo. Bull how could hot ammo effect the pawl???? How could dry firing the gun cause this??? How could fanning the gun cause this ??? First of all I don't see how I could even think of fanning the Bisley with the hammer design, but be that as it may its off to Ruger its their problem now. Ruger knows from the start that their Vaqueros for the most part are bought for use in Cowboy action shooting, I am sure they have seen or at least heard about the sport/game. And know that the guns are going to see some really hard service. And by knowing that it would seem to me that they would make sure the guns are going to hold up and would hold them to a higher standard than they normally do. How ever these two guns must have some way slipped by and I got them both. I can live without that kind of luck for the rest of my life. I am of the mind that if they can't find what was wrong they are going to say shooter/ owner's error like they do when they can't figure out why a plane crashed. But if these guns will not hold up to several thousand round a month going through them then they are no good to me. Bottom line it shouldn't have happen in the first place. But it did and not once but twice. Maybe the pawl was a bit too long maybe this and maybe that. But one thing for sure had my life depended on either of them I would be dead now.

XLCH

I’m just trying to figure out what could have happened to brake the top off as it just gets the cylinder moving and the second face takes it to lockup, maybe the cylinder latch plunger is missed up. I own something like 30 of the single action revolvers ( old & new models & the small frame ones like your 45s)and have never had a something like that happen, I need to know what they say.

Machinist

Could be a batch with over hardened tips or a slight timing error as you mentioned. I would suspect the heat treatment of the tips. A pointed part like that is easy to over harden and it is heavily stressed when it goes to start the cylinder rotating quickly. If the oven was miscalibrated it would produce a batch of bad parts that might be hard to catch before going to production.

XLCH

I’m not sure that they are hardened as I have used a file and stone to fit them, seemed soft.

Machinist

They should not be too hard but if they are dead soft they would wear very quickly. All action parts will be cut by good fine files and stones will even sharpen metal working tools. I did this often. I had many more stones for machining than I did for gunsmithing. My issue with Taurus revolver parts was that they were poorly finished and so soft they ate themselves in normal use.

Machinist

It is normal practice to stretch S&W and Colt hands by peening them in the middle. You could not do this if they are too hard or they would crack, but the working end must not be too soft or it would peen, bend, or wear in use. I have seen S&W SS hands that were poorly finished and dug into the camming faces on the cylinder ratchet that they were supposed to slide over. This made me shy away from their stainless guns for awhile. They had to finish the blued parts better before bluing them so they seemed better polished and deburred.

XLCH

I think they are made out of a good steel like D2 or something, will look in my Ruger books and see what I find.

deputy125

don't have a clue........but when i was researching the pieta/uberti BP revolvers, there was mention of the hand being too long and "agressive" cocking could cause it to break the hand at the tip or damage the star......but that is that italian soft steel.......they really did talk abot sizeing things up ahead of time to prevent such.

ruger might had a batch of hands that are out of spec. Surely ruger builds this part and does not sub-contract.

i just hope it's not MIM as ruger has not gone down that road yet.......

or would this be an application where mim would be superior?

i thought ruger was top dog on the cass circuit as far as strength and durability.

sheepdog

...the old Vaqueros were...hopefully for Snuffer these were just cooked too long...

Machinist

Ruger was a leader in investment casting technology for gun parts. I don't know if they would have much need to go to sintered parts. I don't think the hand lends itself well to that process in any case. Most DA designs require fitting of the hand which makes sintered parts a poor choice. I don't know with SA parts.