Snuffy

There is alot to be considered about a cross bow. They can get he job done without alot of noise and more of the time ya can reuse the bolts. As always my main idea is that my enemy is my next re-supply point. I remember once the Army handed us a can of cream pea's and told us that was chow. Let me tell you its the worse tasting stuff I have ever eatten. Sure isn't McDonalds lol. But some day they told us ya may have to eat that or worse I never have had to eat anything worse but ya do what ya have to do.

deputy125

i am iggnorant of crossbows.......don't know quality from crap, service life of the string, range, maintaince, etc, etc, etc........

now those silent aguilla .22 rounds out of a rifle......me likes........as well as silencers........

Bountyhunter

Cross bows are cool, but I don't know anything about them either. I'd hurt myself with one.

kim

A sling shot should be considered too.


Molon Labe

Kim

wd4ins

Hey Deputy, I got a funny story about that aguilla silent stuff.

I bought me a CZ Scout Youth .22 rifle (yep, I'm a little guy) a few years ago. I brought it home and was eager to try it out. I came in the house and got what I thought was the silent stuff, took it outside and loaded a round and took aim at my wifes bird house in the back yard. When I squeezed off the round it went BOOOOM! Knocked the birdhouse down. Did I mention I live in TOWN! I ran back in the house, grabbed a beer and went back outside a started looking around like the rest of the neighbors. After I had played it off "pretty well I might add" I decided to try to figure out what happened. I got confused! I thought it was the Aguila SSS that was the silent stuff. Nope!! SSS isn't that loud but it is when your in town under the metal carport in a tight neighborhood with a short barrel. I knocked the crap out of that birdhouse too. It was a safe shot at least. The direction I was shooting was toward the creek which separates town from outside the city limits and the riverbank is high on the far side.

Super Colibri, thats the silent stuff! I'll NEVER forget it!!!

JOHNNY WACKO

I heard that cross bows will be legal to hunt with here in PA. next bow season.I was surprised they did that!

Deadeye

Most of the "silent" .22 ammo is subsonic, so you still get a pow but no sonic crack.

sheepdog

...I can clap my paws louder than the CCI CB Caps (short) sound...

Snuffy

I am working on the sling shot but right now I am more danger to my self than anyone else. The one that david used takes a while to get use to using lol. Some of you seem to have the idea that your always going to have a gun and ammo, I don't think this will be if the balloon ready goes up. But of course the older ones like me aren't going to last too long but I think I would out last most of the younger folks from what I see. Unless of course I try that damn sling shot again lol.

Machinist

Snuffy, you're right about slings. They were the field artillery for world conquering armies for over a thousand years. First the slings, then the javelins, then close contact. Effective, but hard to use well.

kim

Now, this is a crossbow, 412 fps and 2" groups at a hundred yards. Yeeha

http://www.mossyoak.com/content/Perspec ... =nl_030509

Molon Labe

Kim

Bountyhunter

That's pretty damn cool. You could hunt dragons with that.

deputy125

they will get around to either banning them or regulating them........after-all, they are armor piercing.............i know, i've seen an arrow sticking out of a patrol car one night.....

i would imagine one of these "bolts" would slice right on thru......

sheepdog

...I've heard the old-time crossbows would drive a bolt through two men...I believe it...I'd rather be shot with a bullet, thankyouberrymuch!!!!

Machinist

Arrows have very good penetration on soft tissue but do poorly on harder stuff. An arrow from a good bow will easily fly through a man if it misses bone. The crossbows were very powerful then. They had a stirrup in front and were cocked by a two handed windlass or the operator used a hook attached to his belt so he could use his legs to draw the bow back. They were much easier to train a man to use but had less range and a slower rate of fire. A shot a minute was good. A long bowman could shoot three or more times a minute and the range was often better. At Agincourt the mercenary crossbowmen hired by the French were still out of range at 200 yards when the Welsh longbowmen under Henry opened up and shattered their ranks, sending them back in confusion. The problem was it took many years of work to master the longbow and constant practice to remain good. Henry later had to outlaw Soccer on Sundays because the young men were neglecting archery practice. The longbow was a weapon the French could not try to match because it meant an armed populace that the French King could not afford to allow. The English were free men and developed the skills to a degree a professional army could not. Only a free people could be allowed these skills without being a threat to the head of state. Once a man has these skills you can not disarm him. You can't keep a man who lives in a forest from having a stick, hence the skills with the bow and the quarterstaff. No French King at this time could afford to give common people this much power. It cost them dearly in battle.

Edited to say "crossbowman hired by the French", sorry.

sheepdog

...are there lessons we can learn from that post or WHAT!!!!

Machinist

Maybe to limit how many lines Mac can put in a post?

sheepdog

...nope...long-winded ain't a problem here...long as you can get us to read it...go for it...good stuff....

Snuffy

Lots of good information here but my idea got shot down. Oh well sheepdog keep your false teeth awhile longer pal lol.

Machinist

Snuffy, a crossbow actually makes a lot of sense. Quiet, accurate, and powerful. They made good use of them in Vietnam for taking out sentries and other covert ops. When you can't make noise they beat hell out of a knife.