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Old 03-19-2018, 07:38 AM   #1
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I received these as a gift this weekend but cannot find a Maker's Mark anywhere.Not even under the grip. It's probably replicas but I can't find any information. Can anyone help? I'll post more photos if need be. Thanks. I'm just getting into black and also have a Pietta Navy 1851 as my starter gun.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:29 AM   #2
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From some quick Googling, you have modern kit built .44 cal. hideout guns. They were first sold in the Sixties and early Seventies by CMC Arms, who no longer exist. It seems CMC was a spinoff of Connecticut Valley Arms, and after CMC ended, the kits were sold for a while by Classic Arms as the "New Orleans Ace". What info I found was vague, says the CMC guns were marked as CMC. The Classic Arms guns only showed a serial or nothing. It sounds as though none of these companies made anything, just imported.

I found these hits on Google, there were a few more. Some say rifled barrel, some aren't (?):

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/739840425

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/44617-p...-derringer-kit

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/F...om_/16-298980/

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/11744332

https://classic.gunauction.com/searc...emnum=11744332

http://www.armslist.com/posts/263154...n-pistol---44-

EDIT: This may be a current kit, hard to be sure since they just show parts, not the finished gun:

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/...roduct_id/8518

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Thanks for that info! I looked but I guess I didn't have the right search here's a couple more photos.
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Great pic. I'm looking forward to trying mine.
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Thanks for that info! I looked but I guess I didn't have the right search here's a couple more photos.
You're welcome. Narrowed it down to three importers over the space of 50 years, not great detective work.......

But, being unmarked they are likely Classic Arms, and imported through Dixie. They seem to have been selling the "New Orleans Ace" for several decades. Yours look new, and well done in the photos.
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What caliber are these? I tried .44 today,but they just don't fit. Would it be .36?
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What caliber are these? I tried .44 today,but they just don't fit. Would it be .36?
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I shoot .440 round ball and no patch needed . Mine is smooth bore and some are rifled .
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I have .44 for my Pietta Navy 1851 but apparently, it's not the same.They were too large of a caliber
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What caliber are these? I tried .44 today,but they just don't fit. Would it be .36?
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I shoot .440 round ball and no patch needed . Mine is smooth bore and some are rifled .
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I found another forum thread where this comes up. One poster feels the gun requires a .424 ball, and two sources of molds are mentioned. One place with .424 balls ready made. Some discussion of loads, patches, etc.. Hope there is some help there.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...ans-ace-pistol
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Thanks . I see I have 44 but the box says .451 . I'll bet that's my issue with this.
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I found another forum thread where this comes up. One poster feels the gun requires a .424 ball, and two sources of molds are mentioned. One place with .424 balls ready made. Some discussion of loads, patches, etc.. Hope there is some help there.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...ans-ace-pistol
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Thanks . I see I have 44 but the box says .451 . I'll bet that's my issue with this.
Everything else I've found says it's a .44, so that one guy may have something wrong in his deduction. I hope you get it sorted out. Looks like it would be fun to shoot.
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Since my gun is a smooth ball I don't need the T- handle to seat the barrel ball into rifling . A little grease or Crisco on the threads and top of ball will keep the burnt powder soft . Like I said mine is a .440 ball . Mark the barrel so you need to know when seated and the cleaning rod can be used to turn barrel . This gun was designed to be loaded like the video shows if it has a screw in barrel and NO patch .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS-5TBn1muU
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