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Old 10-13-2010, 04:17 AM   #1
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Remington under fire?

From the Shooting Wire:

Yesterday morning, I received a promotional piece from CNBC, touting an hour-long investigation into America's largest firearms company. The promo piece teases "Remington Under Fire: A CNBC Investigation" a story that CNBC says will "take viewers inside a 10-month investigation of the world's most popular hunting rifle and examines whether a company has gone too far in protecting their signature product." That product being the Model 700 bolt-action rifle. With more than five million sold, it is hard to argue its domination of the bolt-action rifle market.

It's hard to argue with the idea that a serious safety defect- especially if it was deliberately downplayed-could cause serious repercussions.

Having spent nearly three decades in journalism, when someone says their exclusive "examines" rather than "exposes" - my first impression is always that the story didn't come to the conclusion they'd presumed, so they're leaving plenty of wiggle room in the story by "examining the question" rather than "answering it".

That doesn't say it's not interesting, whatever the conclusion.

According to the release, CNBC Senior Correspondent Scott Cohn traveled from Florida to Alaska, uncovering numerous complaints about Remington's 700 model rifle. The most intriguing fact is Cohn's having "tracked down" 98-year-old Mike Walker, the Remington engineer who designed the trigger for the Remington 700. The report purports to have an interview - and internal memorandums from Walker- that indicate he had repeated safety concerns about the trigger system - even after he left the company.

Video teases for the program, however, don't show Walker. Instead, they show Jack Belk "gunsmith, former cop" and expert witness in a variety of lawsuits against Remington. In the soundbite- admittedly designed to titillate, not answer questions - Belk says "no gun should fire unless the trigger is pulled."

Not exactly the building of a rock-solid case. But in many cases -especially those tried in the fickle court of public opinion- emotion will trump logic.

I've not spoken to anyone at Remington regarding the reports- and CNBC says Remington only responded to their interview requests in writing.

For Remington, that's prudent business practice. From CNBC, it's couched as to leave the impression that a lack of willingness to go on camera and talk about six decades of business practices indicates there's something to hide.

That's not the case -it is impossible for current management to have first-hand knowledge of anything that happened nearly six decades ago. Consequently, when you don't know what to say, the best thing to say -especially in a television interview - is nothing.

Remington Under Fire is scheduled to air on October 20. We'll be watching and at that time, Remington officials will be offered the opportunity to respond to the program.

As always, we'll keep you posted.

--Jim Shepherd

I have owned many a Remington 700 over the years, and no problem whatsoever with any of them. Don't know what the hell there talking about!
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Old 10-13-2010, 04:22 AM   #2
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...smells like a Giraldo...



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Old 10-13-2010, 12:45 PM   #3
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what secret?????

remington triggers in the 700 were known as the best at the time of their introduction for someone wanting a reasonable priced rifle with a decent trigger.

The triger lends itself to good ole' boy kitchen table adjustment with just screwdrivers.......never mind that there are warnings from remington to not jack with it......but many a person did.

The triggers are pre-set from the factory and nail polished.

I've seen several remington 700's that someone adjusted too light. They would either bump off if you gently popped the butt to the floor or they would touch off if you just closed the bolt. Not the fault of the design unless they are wanting the set screws tac-welded to prevent folks from adjusting them lighter.

another case of too hot coffee from mcdonalds i think.....

personally, i can live without remington and especially their current quality control.......but i can't fault them for that trigger.
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Old 10-13-2010, 03:11 PM   #4
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From what I have seen about this it has to do with a safety recall that was taken care of 30 years ago.
If you have nothing to report , make something. JMHO
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Old 10-16-2010, 05:54 PM   #5
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I agree just made up, nothing too it.
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Old 10-21-2010, 02:16 AM   #6
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010 ... rm+Blog%29
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:58 AM   #7
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...I blabbered on the blog...we'll see...where was the muzzle pointing??? First question to ask...any machine can malfunction...that's why we have safety rules...



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Old 10-21-2010, 11:32 AM   #8
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I think everyone believes that a safety replaces common sense. A safety by definition is, " A mechanical device that can fail."


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Old 10-23-2010, 06:56 PM   #9
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...I recorded the expose'...finally had time to watch the show...my opinions:

Remington is lying, denying, and selling something they know isn't safe...and should be held civilly responsible...

I will never buy another Remington rifle...

all the facts, reports, and lawsuits do not change the basic fact...not ONE of these accidental firings would have caused death or injury...if the person holding the rifle had followed rule #1...never point the weapon at anything you do not want to destroy...the people who caused injury or death bear their part of the guilt...there is no excuse...

...this will encourage the antis to try to gain more control over the manufacturers and the owners...of course, anything does that....



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Remy's has the best trigger ever made next to a custom made ones . The table top gunsmith are the trigger problem , not the gun .
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...maybe some of them...but there're too many for that to be true as a blanket statement...they got a problem...and they knew it...



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I've gunsmith over 500 Remy triggers in the last 30+ years and shot again 10,000 Remy in matches and Never seen a bad Remy trigger unless a the shooter screwed with that didn't know he was doing . If you take a rubber hammer and give the butt stock a good shot it shouldn't trip if adjust correctly . Each stock trigger is different on how light you can make it . I've never seen a stock one that won't adjust to 2 1/2 lbs safely . That is the lightest I do on a hunting gun . A good gunsmith can rework a Remy trigger to 6 ozs that will pass the mallet test on benchrest guns .


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...real nice picture of the mallet...



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is that stock pink????
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Re: Remington under fire?

When I saw the title of this thread come up after all these months, the first thought that popped in my mind was, "Oh cool, Snuffy was just here!"
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Yep! Snuffy strikes again!!
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is that stock pink????
It is a Stock Ford color called Hugger Orange from the 60's . I used that paint and color on all my race cars . The left over paint I used on my fiberglass gun stocks because it was formulated against acids , sovents , brake fluids and racing fuels won't soften or hurt it .
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