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Old 09-15-2016, 07:46 PM   #1
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The Missouri Congress passes constitutional carry!

Overriding a governor veto, Missouri now has constitutional carry, so as of Jan. 1st, 2017, you no longer need training/certification to CCW!

The training requirements did not bother me, but paying for the license did, as the price seemed to go up.

I know that most people that violated the rules would do so regardless, so we will see how it plays out.

I have not got all the details yet.

I do know the NRA was really behind this.

What are your all's thoughts?
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:11 PM   #2
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Many say the second amendment is our ccw, I agree. Sounds like a step in the right direction, hope more states follow your lead!
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:30 PM   #3
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I was glad to see they overrode the Governor. I wish all States had Constitutional Carry, so a license wouldn't be needed for travel.
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Concealed carry should be allowed nation wide, with all states accepting each others license.
Only this year South Carolina reciprocated with Georgia.
The governor of Missouri should be recalled....fired.
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I was glad to see they overrode the Governor. I wish all States had Constitutional Carry, so a license wouldn't be needed for travel.

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I've had a CCW since 1968 in 5 different states over the years . I've been a range officer for about 15 yrs on a big gun ranges in Ca . There is a lot of people out that don't know how to handle a gun safely or don't know the law when they can use deadly force . So I'm for CCW classes 100% before getting your lic . Everyone needs to be lic just like a driver lic . Can you image millions of people driving cars without a driver lic and don't know rule of the road or the skill to drive . A back ground check is another must also in my book for a CCW lic . .
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So I'm for CCW classes 100% before getting your lic . Everyone needs to be lic just like a driver lic . Can you image millions of people driving cars without a driver lic and don't know rule of the road or the skill to drive . A back ground check is another must also in my book for a CCW lic . .
Needing a background check is a no-brainer. I'm not for requiring classes, but they should be available. I can see requiring a test of handgun knowledge and reasonable skill before someone can carry, along with a stern lecture about the responsibility involved. Maybe a one time card you'd carry to show that.

I got my VA permit based on a 35 year old Army discharge, in place of a class! Virginia even accepts online classes, which I don't agree with. I never touched a handgun in the Army, and I was only in it seven weeks. Just a few days time with an M-16.
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There are millions on the road driving without a license, they are called illegal aliens, just like there are probably a million gang bangers and other criminals that carry without a CC license or any training. In NH it's 3 references and a background check from the local police to get your license (shall issue $10 for 4 years). We always have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country. We grow up with guns and learn how to handle safely early on. The last thing we need is some moron liberal moving to NH and judging whether or not we should be allowed to carry a firearm. I took the training course that was required to get my Utah permit and when the instructor flipped the cylinder closed on the GP100 she had, I tuned her out. She was a big time Sig Academy instructor but I was unimpressed. Sorry for the drift Moakes.

Congrats to Missouri on passing constitutional carry over the head of the idiot governor. It was passed up here last year and our idiot governor vetoed it and the legislature couldn't override. Good job MO.
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Concealed carry should be allowed nation wide, with all states accepting each others license.
Only this year South Carolina reciprocated with Georgia.
The governor of Missouri should be recalled....fired.

RidgeRunner, he is on the way out anyway. We have a Republican former Navy Seal ( Eric Greitens) running who I support, but because he is new to politics, the NRA will not back him & is backing the Democrat, who is not a bad guy.

This state, (MO) votes Rep. in Pres. elections, but loves to have a Democratic Gov. with a Republican run state congress. I think we like the fighting.

Trump has a 10 point lead here.

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I'm not wild about classes, because of what I hear local and online. Most seem to be run by a macho Rambo wannabee type, and consist of a lot of adolescent giggling about "blowing people away". We don't need that. An LEO led proficiency test would be more constructive.

Virginia's permit is $50 for five years, and I'm half into my second one. I'd like to see the third unnecessary.
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I'm not wild about classes, because of what I hear local and online. Most seem to be run by a macho Rambo wannabee type, and consist of a lot of adolescent giggling about "blowing people away". We don't need that. An LEO led proficiency test would be more constructive.

Virginia's permit is $ 50 for five years, and I'm half into my second one. I'd like to see the third unnecessary.
The best training facility in Missouri ( Ultimate Defense) is run by a current police officer & he was happy it passed.
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All the classes I've taken , 90% of it was about gun laws and new changes . Only a hour of it was at the range and there was only 4 people in all my classes that I've been in that didn't pass the handling and shooting apart . About 10% needed more instruction on firearms . After the class was over the instructor gave those people one on one instruction and I don't how it turned out . The one women NEVER fired or loaded a gun till that day .
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Everyone need training, no doubt about it. The problem I have is with government mandated training where some bureaucrat then determines if you can be "awarded" your license.

Living in the northeast the populace is moving from the deep blue states like MA, CT or RI and retiring to NH to get away from all the taxes and corruption they helped create there. The problem is they bring their screwed up values here and elect morons. I fear government and anything mandated by them relative to my gun rights.
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I'm greatly surprised that Virginia's gun laws are pretty relaxed. Northern VA is just the rich suburb of DC, and their voter block tends to control what happens in the rest of the state. That's how we ended up with Kaine and other liberal morons. I guess the conservative districts have just enough state senators and reps to stop the worst legislation.

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I spent 15 years in law enforcement. There were two guys who had to go through the course 4 or 5 times before they passed. This went on every year. The instructors wanted them to pass, and spent a lot of time training them on the course......but each and every year???? There job did not require they carry a gun, but they could be told to under extreme circumstances. Some people don't need to be carrying a gun.
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I tend to be more of a libertarian in my views, so not crazy about the government sticking its fingers into anything I do. Do people need training before they use a gun in any way, shape, or form? I think so, but when the government gets involved, what training I've seen is less than effective, other than taking your money and making you jump though hoops. The class I took to get my CCL was, frankly, a joke. I wouldn't let anyone I know carry a gun with only that for training. You could read the instruction manual that comes with any gun and get the same info, but it did cost me $ 30 and a bunch of paperwork.
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Here is some more info on the changes:

On Wednesday night, both the Senate and House overturned the Governorís veto of Constitutional Carry. Senate Bill 656 creates two ďlevelsĒ of concealed carry in Missouri. The first provides for the traditional CCW permit like what is now in existence and the second is being called Constitutional Carry, which established the right to carry concealed without a permit. Under Constitutional Carry, if you can legally possess a firearm, you can now carry it concealed with no permit, no background check, no fees, and no training.

For those of you who already have your CCW permit, KEEP IT! Renew it and be aware that you can renew for extended periods of time ($200 for 10 years, $250 for 25 years, $500 for Lifetime). Other states do not recognize Missouriís Constitutional Carry, but THEY STILL RECOGNIZE MISSOURIíS TRADITIONAL CCW PERMIT.
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