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Old 08-30-2013, 06:09 AM   #1
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Hello everyone im new to this forum. I wanna share a experience i had yesterday with my brand new rossy by taurus.Yesterday i went to the shooting range for the first time. Shot a total of 112 rounds throw it.

Te good thing about this revolver is that i find it very accurate at many different distances and also very comfortable in my long skinny hand. The very very bad thing is that it freacking JAMMED like 7 or 8 times, sometimes with the cylinder locking up really hard. For some reason some of the ejected used rounds where scratched by some part of the revolver in the base. Not a bullet problem by the way tried pmc and american eagle.

I would really like to read your experiences and any advice of course. Thanks!
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:51 AM   #2
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Welcome from Tx . I've own 8 Rossi in my life and they were super guns , but that was over 15yrs ago before Taurus owned them and the internal parts were the same as Smith . Next time it jams check for a high primer or a bullet came uncrimped and moved forward , if they are ok try pushing the trigger forward , if that don't work try rotating the cylinder back and forth . If one of them unjam it get back to me and I will tell you how to fix it . If not mail it to Taurus .....

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Thanks a lot tx gun runner and north country gal!
Will try to do what youve said tx, hope it works otherwise i will take it to the gunsmith. Unluckily it generated a very bad feeling towards my revolver. I dont trust it at all. My dad owns a 375 magnum smith and never ever had a single problem like this. Even thow the revolver fell into mud and sand in ocations. Right now in a situation of a burglary or some i wold actually preffer not to take it, gun jamming infront of a thieve is not and option hahaha.

Too bad i cant take the revovler to you to check it tx. I live very very far away from you, in Paraguay the heart of South America. The problem here is that there are very very few american brand new revolvers. Most of what we get there is taurus, rossi, alfa or some turkish brands, so a taurus or rossi is pretty much the best you can get revolver wise. There are some used s&w snubbies around but i dont like them,

Saw a sexy looking smith yesterday that i totally fell in love with but it was too damm expensive. 1888 $ to be exact. My rossi was 770 $. So yes, guns are very expensive here haha.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:15 AM   #5
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will post pictures of how the revolver scratched the used bullets btw.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:12 PM   #6
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Welcome to the forum! A tip of the hat to a shooter who has to pay such a high price to enjoy his interests.

Are the marks or scratches across the bottom or along the side from back to front?
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Thanks 44 s rock and the machinist! I will have to take it to the gunsmith monday. This absolutely sucks. Personally i will never buy a rossi or taurus again.

Yeah machinist the guns here in Paraguay are very very expensive because of the high tax policy aplied on them in my country. Black market guns are way cheaper but i dont want them even near me.

Btw the scratches are in the bottom, te base of the bullet.
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If the scratches are across the bottom of the case then there must be something sharp on the back of the frame window. This area should be smooth so the cartridges can slide easily and smoothly around and into position as the cylinder rotates. You might look and feel for a burr or projection that needs to be stoned off. If something is sticking up a bit and digging into the brass it would easily tie up the cylinder, jamming the gun. I would check for this before paying a gunsmith as you might be able to deal with it.

I purchased three new Taurus revolvers in the late 1990s. They were nicely finished outside and seemed like good deals. As I worked with one it started to catch as the trigger was pulled double action. I opened up the action and found a sharp edge on the hand was gigging into the ratchet. The parts were flimsy, soft, and poorly finished or deburred. I fixed the damage and retimed it but there was no way to make these parts better. I opened another and found it the same way. I sold all three back to the dealer unfired as used guns and took the loss. I would not buy another Taurus revolver although I have two Taurus automatics that are based on the Beretta and the Sig and have been good pistols. I probably would not buy another. It is a shame that the better quality revolvers are so over priced. I would hate to be in that position.

Given the prices a S&W would cost you might be better off to get this one fixed. If it can be repaired then prove it thoroughly to restore your confidence in it. This would be needed with any gun of any brand. I have had Smith & Wesson revolvers come from the factory with defects as well. Unfortunately the days when these revolvers got extensive hand fitting and testing are long gone.
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Welcome to the forum and I hope your issue with the Rossi/Taurus is resolved quickly.
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I have a Uberty 45 Colt clone that had such tight tollerences it would lock up after about six rounds, my lgs got out his hone and it has worked great ever since.
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Welcome to the forum. I wouldn't swear off any gun manufacturer because of one bad experience. I have two 2" five shot 38 specials, one is a Rossi, the other is a Taurus. I purchased both a couple of months apart back around 2000 or 2001. I have shot several hundred rounds through both of them, including many 125gr +P JHPs. I have never had a problem with either one. I am not a huge fan of either make but I do believe that they are a good value for the money, at least here in the US.

As Sightngrl says, I hope that the issue is resolved quickly. I tend to lose interest in finicky guns rather quickly.
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Old 09-02-2013, 04:27 AM   #13
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Thanks for the welcome messages Sightngrl and KS95B40!

I took my revolver to the gun store on saturday morning, showed them the problem and they fixed it. They changed the pawl that pushes on a ratchet to rotate the cylinder, trade ir for a new one. Tried to charge me but i remembered them of the warranty and they didnt. They said that the problem was caused because of the ussage of pmc bullets, that acording to them are very cheap bullets. Not sure if that is true but just in case i will no longer use that brand.

Took my revolver to the country side yesterday. We went there to eat bbq drink some beer and shoot a litle. Shot a total of 50 rounds in single and double action without a single problem so I can say im pretty satisfied with their work. Also shot my friends italian tangfolio 9 mm pistol. Shot a plastic botle at a 65 ft distance. Here are some pics. Thank you all for your advices!

ps: The third picture shows the marks that te revolver used to do to the bullets.
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Old 09-02-2013, 07:50 AM   #14
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Some better quality pictures
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That pic looks like it was taking in my part of Texas ......
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Not meaning to be a jerk but the guy in the first picture holding the automatic needs some safety training and you might want to be careful around him. He is holding a cocked pistol with his finger in the trigger guard, pointing it down as he stands behind the revolver shooter (you?). This is very bad practice and if it is typical of his gun handling then he is not safe to be shooting with.

An informal session with a friend does not call for all the protocols a public range needs but this goes too far and puts any others present at risk. Hate to see someone shot by accident, especially through careless negligence.

Glad your gun is working. I would still check the area around the recoil plate for burrs but if it works well and there are no scratches than you can shoot it until your confidence is restored in it. You will have a much better time then and feel much better about your revolver. If I could have only one gun then a good medium frame .357 Magnum or .38 Special revolver with a four inch barrel would be my choice and I have recommended that to friends as ex police revolvers were available for very good prices for a long time here as police switched over to automatics. You could pick up fine Smith & Wesson stainless steel revolvers for $200.00 to $400.00 and these were excellent for home defense and learning to shoot. I have a 3" Mod 65 and wish I had grabbed one of the 4" L frame Mod 686 revolvers I saw for $360.00. A local store had a box full of them.

Have fun but be careful!

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Glad the gun shop could fix it. I am doubtful that the PMC ammo caused the problem but still glad that it is fixed. You should get many years of use from your new revolver. Enjoyed your pics, keep posting!
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Machinist! do not worry about the gun handling thats actually me! but the safety was on and i always take a lot of care in that manner. As a matter of a fact everytime we shot any of the firearms we would empty all the mag or barrel so they wouldnt be much handling of a loaded weapon. A friend of my dad passed away because he had a gun accident recently so the old man forced us all to take gun courses.

We did a litle competition and I barely won haha. Hit the bottle two more times than he did.

KS95B40 i shure hope so! haha, wanna use this revolver for a few years and get maybe a smith 357 or a 45 pistol in the future. Maybe the ammo thing that they said in the gun store was just and excuse to try to justifie the gun problem, really hope so because before the problem i just bought 300 rounds of pmc, federal american eagle are way more expensive here.
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