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Old 12-08-2015, 02:44 PM   #1
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Tuning a 25-2

I have a S&W Model 25-2 with a 6 1/2" barrel. It does not want to take the steel full moon clips. When full clips are inserted into the cylinder and cylinder closed, the cylinder will not rotate. Any ideas what may be wrong?
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Old 12-10-2015, 04:35 PM   #2
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Learned a lot these last couple of days. After watching some YouTube clips by Hickory45 I have discovered my problem with the 25-2. The moon clips have to be almost perfectly flat in order to work. The batch I had (I will not say from where or who made them) were too thick and not flat. I now have a batch of 10 (2 packs of 5) from Brownells by Cylinder & Slide that work fine. I went to the range today to try them out and everything worked the way it is supposed to, even me. After 2 boxes of Hornady Critical Duty, 220 gr. Flexlock I will be keeping this one in the nightstand.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:09 PM   #3
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I'm glad to see you got it figured out.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:14 PM   #4
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Glad it worked. I love the Mod 25 and have shot a lot of rounds using the full moon clips. They have worked better for me than the half moon clips.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:16 PM   #5
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Looking forward to reading more of your revolver adventures and opinions.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:47 PM   #6
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Glad everything worked out. I had no idea what the problem was.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:10 PM   #7
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That's one gun I never have shot, but always wanted to get. Looks like you're back in business, though.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:29 PM   #8
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Excuse me as I am not a revolver guy.

This is a .45 acp?
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:48 PM   #9
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Yes. They also made the Mod 25 in .45 LC but these are in .45 ACP. They grew out of the Mod 1917 revolvers used by the military when production of 1911s could not meet demand in WW1. The ones we have are target models in .45 ACP. They need some kind of clip for extraction of the rimless cases, usually half moon holding 3 cases (the original) or newer full moon holding six. Your super fast revolver shooters use these as the clip acts as a speed loader allowing a fast reload. My problen with them for serious use is that you can't top up.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:51 PM   #10
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The back of the cylinder is relieved for the clip. They did invent a rimmed case called the auto rim. It has a rim that is as thick as the clip and the rim of the auto case. This is one I loaded with a 230 grain RN lead bullet. The clips are used with regular rimless ACP ammo.

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Can't think of a better nightstand gun. Loaded up with 230 gr JHP it would be a real discourager to some perp that kicks your front door down.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:37 AM   #12
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Have used moon clips in snub-nosed 38 and 357 Smiths for the sake of rapid extraction, since the ejector rods weren't long enough to fully extract cases. As for quick reloads, most of the moon clips I've tried were less than ideal for quick reloads with those cartridges, though 45 auto might be different. Of course, when I shoot 45 auto, it's not in a revolver.
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I looked at using .45 auto rim instead of acp. Factory ammo was $1.62 each and I don't have dies for auto rim so my choice is limited. I'll stick with my .45 acp so I can reload for practice and shoot factory for fun.
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.45 ACPs are short and fat with big holes to drop in. I have not held one of the clips for revolver cartridges but wonder if they are thinner to fit the small groove ahead of the rim. The .45 clips have a large and deep groove to hold. Watch Jerry Miculik using them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4
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I am not really a big fan of the clips. As I mentioned I like being able to top up a revolver without dumping rounds. When I carried one I used a belt slide with loops. I am a huge fan of the .45 ACP so I use the clips there. I do like the auto rim cartridge for range use but one advantage of using the ACP in a revolver rather than .45 LC or .44 is the wide range of loads and cheap practice ammo available for the auto, as well as cheap cases and bullets. I bought thousands of once fired GI brass for a very low price and did not worry about saving it (when shooting a 1911). I also bought thousands of GI .38 Special cases for two cents each. Made reloading with lead bullets cheap, about five cents a round including case.if I got just two or three uses out of the cases. The only drawback was having to remove the primer crimp. They even put those on the .38 cases, for use in all those .38 Special submachineguns.
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I'm also big fan of the 45 auto, of course, given all the 1911 shooting we do. Buffalo Bore loads a 45 +P hard cast load that gets you up into 357 magnum energy levels. At one point, thought about getting a 1911 as a bear gun, just to shoot those loads, setting the gun up with the recommended heavier recoil springs. Now that we have our 10mm Kimber, no need to go that route. Nice to know it is an option, though.
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A good 10mm with your outstanding skill makes an excellent combination for protection against the big guys. T-Rex would tremble.
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A good 10mm with your outstanding skill makes an excellent combination for protection against the big guys. T-Rex would tremble.
Thanks. A little too cold for T Rex, up here. They might have them down in the tropics of southern Wisconsin, though.
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Just thought I would post a picture of my 25-2 for all to see.
It now shoots smooth with the trigger breaking clean and crisp.
DA operation is still heavy but smooth,
Took it to the range yesterday for a work out.
I think I will keep it.
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I looked at using .45 auto rim instead of acp. Factory ammo was $1.62 each and I don't have dies for auto rim so my choice is limited. I'll stick with my .45 acp so I can reload for practice and shoot factory for fun.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. All you need is a shell holder for the auto-rim, the .45 ACP dies are fine I started with some Remington factory loads long ago but ended up buying new Remington and Starline brass.I like the auto-rim for practice when I am not too lazy to reload. Unfortunately the indoor ranges I mostly use don't allow lead bullets so the cheap factory ball ammo in ACP is the way to go for me.


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