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Old 12-29-2015, 03:43 PM   #1
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A new to me old S&W

Just wanted to show y'all something I picked up today from the gun store.
It came in Saturday as a trade for something "with more rounds"a 15 rounder.
Was owned by this person's Dad or grandfather who was a policeman (I think that's what he said), I want to say the guy said in Detroit, but not sure.
Somewhere up north though.

There were about 3 of us interested in it and I called "first dibs" first.
Another guy from the store really wanted it, but, well, I guess I won out this time.
Nick knew I really wanted itnot too many that I really want, but he just knew and saved it for me.

I know nothing about these guns - except that it's older than I am!
I was told it is a Model 19 and I'm going to do some research on it to try and find out more.

Any help on dating this one is appreciated, serial number is 394xxx

Can I use just regular ole .38spl ammo?
Would like to get out to the range this week(end) and shoot some...

Here are a few pictures.




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Old 12-29-2015, 04:02 PM   #2
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The Model 19 was a 357 magnum, so I think that part is wrong. Looks like a Model 10 or one of its predecessors (same frame size). If so, having four screws on the frame on the right side would make it a 50s or early 60s gun. Open the cylinder and look at the frame as in the pic. Is there anything stamped? If not, it's an even earlier gun.

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Old 12-29-2015, 04:05 PM   #3
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Don't use any 38 +P loads. Stay with standard 38s, nothing hot, and you'll be fine.

One of the great revolver classic of all time, by the way. That vintage and that shape, the gun will never go down in value. Definitely one to keep. Outstanding find, Wolfie.

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Old 12-29-2015, 04:33 PM   #4
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Thanks ncg.
So, probably a Model 10.
Inside the frame is 19029, best I can tell.
Really need a magnifier, which I don't have here at the house.
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More info found.
It is a Military & Police model, last patent date on barrel is Dec 1915 and serial number indicate that it could be a Model of 1905, 4th Change.

I may send off to S&W to get history.

Seems like I got a really good deal/steal on this one.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:40 PM   #6
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Great find WP65, I know you will enjoy shooting your new M&P. My second choice, after my 1911's, is my Model 27 I used when I worked for the Texas Prison System. All S&W's I have had any contact with were great shooters. Please let us know what S&W has to say if you send them a letter.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:41 PM   #7
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Very, very, nice !

Classic old S&W's have a very nice look to them, I like it.
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Wow! I need to follow you and NCG around. You seem to have a knack for finding great guns.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:59 PM   #9
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I would post it over on the S&W board. As knowledgeable as people are here, over there they have members who have written books on collecting S&W revolvers. You'll probably get near as much info as you would from S&W, and you'll have it within hours.
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More info found.
It is a Military & Police model, last patent date on barrel is Dec 1915 and serial number indicate that it could be a Model of 1905, 4th Change. .
+1 and built around 1920 is my guess .
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It is the predecessor for the Model 10 which was called the M&P. I had a similar one and a tech at S&W was pretty adamant when he told me (via e-mail) not to use +P loads in it. He said they had seen some bad results with people that had used +P's. Mine was made in the 50's and based on serial #'s it looks like yours is even older. Nice old piece of history and if it could only talk.
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With your photographs, it looks to be a five screw pre model 10. As other have said, an M&P. It looks like it was probably made just after WWll, It was certainly well cared for. It also looks like a much less seen 5 inch barrel. No plus P, but that's no problem.

It's a nice one.
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What a beautiful classic. That is the gun that introduced the .38 Special cartridge, a hotter .38 than the others at the time, the .38 S&W and the .38 Long Colt. It was intended for the standard pressure loads, not the +P as has been mentioned. Although later models were rated for +P and even .357 Magnum this was done by use of better steels and especially better heat treatment methods. The old ones were less consistent and too soft.

That long action should be really slick. They were hand fitted by specialists that were paid piecework and if it did not pass inspection they had to redo it at their own expense. They were excellent.
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Nice find! .......cut and paste



Manufacture Year by Serial Number
"K" Frame Revolvers - 1899 to 1983:
(Years/Serial Number Range)
Pre-War Years:
1899-1902...........1-20,975
1902-1903...........20,976-33,803
1903-1905...........33,804-62,449
1905-1906...........62,450-73,250
1906-1908...........73,251-120,000
1908-1909...........120,001-146,899
1909-1915...........146,900-241,703
1915-1942...........241,704-1,000,000
War Years:
1942-1944...........V1-V769,000
Post-War Years:
1944-1945...........S769,001-S811,119
1945-1948...........S811,120-S990,184
- C Series (Fixed Sight Models):
C1 - C233,999………….....1948 – 52
C236,004 – C261,483…….1953
C277,555 - C402,923….…1954 – 56
C402,924 – C405,018…….1957
C405,019 – C429,740…....1958 – 59
C429,741 – C474,148…….1960
C474,149 – C622,699…….1961 – 62
C622,700 – C810,532…….1963 – 65
C810,533 – C999,999….....1966 – 67
- D Series (Fixed Sight Models):
D1 – D90,000…………….....1968
D90,001 – D330,000……..1969 -70
D330,001 – D420,000………1971 – Early 72
D420,001 – D510,000………Late 1972 – Early 73
D510,001 – D659,901………Late 1973 – Early 1974
D659.902 – D75000………..Late 1974 – Early 1975
D750,001 – D870,000………Late 1975 – Early 1976
D870,001 – D999,999………Late 1976 – Early 1977
2D00001 - 2D80,000……….1977
2D80,001 – 2D99,999………1978
4D00001 – 6D10,000……….1979
6D10,0001 – 7D10,000……1980
7D10,001 – 9D44,500…..1981
9D44,501 – 17D8,900………1982
17D8,901 – 21D0883……….1983
- K Series (Adjustable Sight Models):
K101 – K614……………......1946
K615 – K18,731…………....1947
K18,732 – K73,121……..…1948
K73,122 – K84,149……..…1949
K84,150 – K104,047…...1950
K104,048 – K136,690...1951
K136,691 – K175,637...1952
K175,638 – K210,095...1953
K210,096 – K231,255...1954
K231,256 – K266,154...1955
K266,155 – K288,988...1956
K288,989 – K317,822...1957
K317,823 – K350,547...1958
K350,548 – K386,804...1959
K386,805 – K429,894...1960
K429,895 – K468,098...1961
K468,099 – K515,478...1962
K515,479 – K553,999....1963
K555,000 – K605.877....1964
K605,878 – K658.986....1965
K658,987 – K715,996....1966
K715,997 – K779.162....1967
K779,163 – K848,781....1968
K848,782 – K946,391....1969
K946,382 – K999,999....1970
1K1 – 1K39,500.........1970
2K1 – 2K22.037.........1970
1K39,501 – 1K999,999...1971
2K22,038 – 2K55,996....1971
3K1 – 3K73,962.........1971
2K55,997 – 2K99,999....1972
3K31,280 – 5K6,616.....1972
4K1 – 4K1,627..........1972
4K1,628 – 4K54,104.....1973
5K6,617 – 5K73,962.....1973
4K54,105 – 4K99,999....1974
5K73,963 – 6K58,917....1974
7K1 – 7K26,043.........1974
7K26,044 – 7K70,577....1975
6K98,918 – 8K20,763....1975
8K20,764 – 9K1.........1975
8K20,000 – 9K100,000...1975
9K1,001 – 9K99,999.....1976
10K001 – 24K9,999......1977
25K001 – 56K9,999......1978 – 79
57K001 – 91K6,800......1980
91K6,801 – 124K000.....1981
125K000 – 269K9,999....1982
270K000 – 311K273......1983
In 1980's the Three-Letter Prefix Series Began with AAA0
*** Note ***
Dating a Smith & Wesson Revolver:
This list is merely a general guide and not meant to be exact.
There is some dispute regarding the dates on some serial numbers.
Your gun may actually be a year off from what is listed.
The precise shipping date as "lettered" can be several years off depending on model.
For the exact date on your gun request the letter from the S&W Historian.

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Old 12-29-2015, 10:39 PM   #15
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Thank you Dennis.
I also found this information during my almost 3.5hr researching/googling/reading last night.
No telling on the exact date of manufacture and right now the lead time for replies back from Smith & Wesson is around 4-5 months!
They say on their web site they have suspended any further requests for the time being to get caught up, but to email after the first of the year to see if they are taking more requests.
I'm in no hurry.

I tell you, this one has really sparked an interest in the older model revolvers.
My Dad had one, but it became "lost", meaning someone probably took it, when he was really having troubles with Alzheimers/Dementia.

I'll let y'all know more about it when I know more.

Terry & others - yes, I've read that the cylinders weren't heat treated until after a certain date and to shoot +P could result in damage to the firearm or yourself!
I shall be purchasing some .38 ammo tomorrow and hopefully to the range while I'm off or next weekend.
You'd think I would have some .38, but I don't think I have very much at all, if any, even though I have 2 .38/.357 revolvers.

OK, trying to go back to sleep!
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That is a classic beauty and it has been well cared for. Enjoy your first day at the range with it.
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Dennis: I once posted the same info derived from a book the was copy writed. I was very quickly informed that the post was illegal under copy write laws. The administrator removed my post with a warning that I would be banned if I posted this info again.
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Old 12-30-2015, 04:36 AM   #18
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Lol. I copied it from another website that didn't credit it to a source which is why I noted it was a cut and paste and took no credit for it. If the original source recognizes it they're welcome to take full credit for it.

Original source for previous post.
https://m.facebook.com/SmithWessonMp...71257209590018

As properly credited as I'm able.

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Dennis: I once posted the same info derived from a book the was copy writed. I was very quickly informed that the post was illegal under copy write laws. The administrator removed my post with a warning that I would be banned if I posted this info again.
Here??
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:14 AM   #20
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To be sure, getting serial number info on Smiths is always a hassle. Miost of us just go by the configuration or dash numbers to get an idea of vintage.
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