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Old 10-09-2016, 11:33 AM   #1
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Missing screw on s&w 38 ctg

I recently got a pretty cool s&w 38 special. From what I can tell do far, it's a 38 ctg k frame combat masterpiece... Or model 15, I'm not sure yet, still researching... Anyway, there's a missing screw on the frame, up top by the hammer. I haven't shot it yet, is it safe to shoot or should I try to find a screw for it first? Also, it's got some rust spots, I'm not sure yet if it's a valuable piece or not, would it be a bad idea to do anything to the finish, like a cold blue or should I just clean it and leave it alone
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Old 10-09-2016, 12:08 PM   #2
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Smith put the screw there for a purpose so I would replace it first. See if Numerica has one.

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Old 10-09-2016, 02:14 PM   #3
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I agree withTerry all the way. Had a new S&W J frame with one frame screw that actually cracked and broke. Made the gun totally inoperable. Even if the gun is still operable, a missing screw can cause wear and tear issues, given that Smiths are built like a watch.

Call S&W. Yes they still support their old revolvers. Have sent in a couple vintage Smiths for repair. Any gunsmith that works on Smith revolvers will likely have an extra screw they can spare. Check, locally.

As for the rust spots, cold blue won't hurt the value since it is not permanent. What will hurt the value, though, is if you eat into the original blue by trying to remove the rust spots. Superfine steel wool and a little solvent. Nothing coarser. If the rust has gone to pitting, it's too far gone to worry about the value unless it is a truly rare model.
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Old 10-09-2016, 03:13 PM   #4
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The Model 15 is the Combat Masterpiece so you are right on both counts. That is a real gem being an older model. It should be a real nice general purpose revolver if it is in good shape.

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Old 10-09-2016, 03:34 PM   #5
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What kind of Silvano would your suggest for cleaning?
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Old 10-09-2016, 03:37 PM   #6
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Awesome, thanks yeah I'm trying to track how old it is, there's several serial numbers, one on the bottom of the grip, one inside the cylinder (that's the one with the k......) and one on thethe yolk I believe it's called, basically where the cylinder pin goes thru.
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For solvent, I like Hoppe's Elite or M-Pro 7. Not cheap, but very effective.
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Would it be better to use brass wool? I find any steel wool residue with be prone to rust.
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Man... I can't find a top side plate screw anywhere. I ordered what I thought was the right one on Midway but turns out the one on top is smaller than the rest. I guess I'll have to call S&w to see if they can send me one. I saw some more recent models of the same gun and they got rid of the top screw on the side plate. What's weird is it looks like there's no use for it, instead of it holding anything together, there's just barely a lip on the side plate where the head of the screw seems to be the only functional part of the set up. Anyway, I'm wondering what the hole is for on the hammer spur, just curious, I couldn't find any info online
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The spur is the part you use to thumb it back when cocking. If you mean the hole at the top it is a rivet that holds in the firing pin. If the pin nose breaks the pin has to be replaced and this rivet is drilled out and replaced. It also serves as the pivot for the firing pin.

The newer S&W revolvers just have a lug that engages the frame at the top to hold in that part of the side plate. The side plate is too flexable not to have some support, the lug or the screw, at the top. The plate directly holds in some of the parts like the hammer block that slides up and down in a recess in the plate.

You will want an original screw if possible and one of the used part dealers might be best if the factory can't help, but if need be a machinist could make you a functional screw so you can use it. Might be costly so hopefully Gunparts or Jack First can help you.
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Old 10-22-2016, 11:12 AM   #11
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Spur, my bad. Found one on ebay, I hope it fits
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Old 10-26-2016, 12:56 PM   #12
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Found it. #8 from gun garage on ebay, this guy has everything BTW if any of u are ever in the same boat.
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Meant $8
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:25 PM   #14
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I contacted Smith and Wesson with my serial number, they said it was a k38 combat masterpiece, produced in 1953. I wonder if it's valuable or if they're a dime a dozen, searching online, the prices are all over the place. It has rust pitting in some spots, it's definitely not perfect cosmetically. I'm thinking maybe I can try buffing out the spots and cover with some cold blue, but if it turns out to be valuable, maybe I won't touch it...
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The Masterpiece series are anything but a dime a dozen. They were S&W's finest. Not that they are rare and, in fact, still quite a few out there, but the ones that bring the big bucks are the pristine examples with box and papers. Rust pitting is really going to hurt the value on yours, but redoing anything will drop the value, all the same. If it were mine and if I had no plans to ever sell it, I would probably do a little touch up work, though. The most important thong is to get all the rust off the gun to keep it from getting worse, but I'd do the absolute minimum to get that done. If you think you might sell it, though, leave it alone.
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