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Old 01-08-2019, 06:08 PM   #1
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I just purchased a sp101 9mm and wonder if the revolver will handle Winchester +P+ ammunition. I also have a sp101 in .357 with a 3" barrel. I usually wouldn't ask this kind of question but its a new gun and I want it for a self defense house gun.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:44 AM   #2
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Will it handle it, probably the SP101 is a rugged little revolver that will take 357 Mag pressures. What I would shoot in it is what ammo you can shoot most accurately. If it's standard velocity then so be it. To me energy is way overrated. Accuracy is final.

If you own an SP in 357 then I would used that for self defense and use the 9 MM with cheap ammo available (assuming you don't reload) for practice or as a BUG.
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It will handle 9mm +P+ easily, IMHO.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:01 PM   #4
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Thank you for the quick answers. I have a 3" Sp101 .357 Magnum, but being 78yrs of age I was hoping the 9mm would have a lot less recoil than the .357. I can't handle a lot o recoil anymore. I know you can shoot 38 special in the .357 frame but I wanted more hitting power than the 38 special and I thought I could get the best of both worlds with the 9mm. More power and less recoil than the 38 and .357. This maybe be wishful thinking but that was my thoughts.

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Try Buffalo Bore 38 Spl +p 158 gr LSWC/HP's. They chronied 1,037 in my 2 1/4" SP which translates to 377 ft/lbs but more important a momentum factor of 23. It was designed to be lower flash and will penetrate heavy clothing and get to where it needs to go. If recoil bothers you then understand you can't get something for nothing. If you go to +P+ then you will have more recoil than +P which are more than standard loads. Heavier bullets push a little harder than lighter ones also. My thought is practice with standard 9 MM and 38 SPL's and then load heavier rounds for SD. At self defense distances the accuracy difference will be negligible and in a high stress situation you won't notice a little thing like recoil. Good luck.
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Always read your owners manual and use the ammo they bless. Why use +p+?
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Always read your owners manual and use the ammo they bless. Why use +p+?
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Always read your owners manual and use the ammo they bless.
That pretty much eliminates +P+ altogether, since virtually every manual (including Ruger's) says to use only ammunition "manufactured in accordance with industry standards." Since +P+ ammo is by definition not to SAAMI standards, it effectively voids the factory warranty. I'm sure the SP101 would handle the +P+, but if it was me I'd use +P. Not only is +P+ not in compliance with the warranty, it's super loud, super flashy, and pretty hard kicking. If I had a .357 SP101 and wanted to add another Ruger for home defense, I'd get a 4" GP100 in .357 (which by the way I already have) Reasonable power .357 is very tolerable in it, and 38 +p is a piece of cake.
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That pretty much eliminates +P+ altogether, since virtually every manual (including Ruger's) says to use only ammunition "manufactured in accordance with industry standards." Since +P+ ammo is by definition not to SAAMI standards, it effectively voids the factory warranty. I'm sure the SP101 would handle the +P+, but if it was me I'd use +P. Not only is +P+ not in compliance with the warranty, it's super loud, super flashy, and pretty hard kicking. If I had a .357 SP101 and wanted to add another Ruger for home defense, I'd get a 4" GP100 in .357 (which by the way I already have) Reasonable power .357 is very tolerable in it, and 38 +p is a piece of cake.
Yep....357/38+p..... I don't see the point/advantage of +p+
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I have a S&W 442-1 rated for and loaded with .38+P. It makes for a good carry gun or house gun.
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I tend to stick to "Less is best" rather than "Bigger is better". Minimizing recoil doesn't just make things more comfortable, it gives me better control for following shots. The idea is "stopping power"; not "blow the bad guy into the next zip code" power.

I have a 2.25" .357 SP101, and I've never shot .357 in it. My serious ammo is Hornady 125 grain .38 XTP HP. The lighter 125 gr. gives less kick than 158. I practice with Federal 130 gr. FMJ. Gives the same point of impact. The drawback with lighter bullets is more bullet drop. Ruger sets the sights for 158s, so I have to aim three inches high at ten yards.

My carry gun is a .32 Auto with FMJ. You have to go for penetration with a small .32; HP doesn't expand or penetrate enough.
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Another problem not covered is if you touch a full house round in the house the blast reflected off nearby walls can actually stun the shooter not to mention destroy night vision and hearing. You are better off with hits from milder shooting calibers and loads. Sometimes the old big and slow 45 ACP is the best answer.
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Same flash and bang problem with the .327 Federal Mag makes it poor for indoor use. Bad enough outdoors, in the dark. Neat that .327 revolvers can also load four other cartridges, but all of them are harder to come by than basic 9, 38, and 45. Sometimes tried and true is best.
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1978 Service Six

Along with my SP101 I own a 4" Ruger Service Six that looks like it is new. When I take trips I take it for my travel gun. I have a total of three .357's that I use sometime or other I just don't like the recoil anymore. So I will download on the 9mm and forget the +p+'s .

Thanks again for the advice,
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:13 PM   #15
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Here is another place to try, Georgia Arms. They load them with Speer HP bullets; and it should knock the heck out of anything that you shoot.

http://www.georgia-arms.com/new-9mm-...ollow-point-p/
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