State of choice

KimberLover · 06-27-2019, 05:48 AM

So, I'm courious: If you were a young man and were looking for a job, but wanted a good state to live in where would you go? And why?

Terry_P · 06-27-2019, 06:08 AM

A few years ago I would have said NH but we are changing. Still no sales or income taxes and business taxes were lowered under the current governor but illegal voting by out of staters (aka voter fraud) and morons from deep blue states relocating up here are turning the tables. Too much uncertainty plus housing costs are quite high.

Truthfully if I were young and looking at starting out it would be where there are wide open spaces and beautiful country like Wyoming.

44s Rock · 06-27-2019, 08:03 AM

Depending on income, I'd like to split between Idaho and AZ. Outdoor activities and Native American history! Washington is on a fast slide int a cesspool!

bearcatter · 06-27-2019, 08:55 AM

I used to dream of living in the Southwest. NM, AZ, maybe somewhere in the western half of Texas. Mostly because of the weather, and there are still a lot of little towns that are close, but not too close, to cities. Now, the politics seem to be changing for the worst, that area is most affected by all the illegals, and the economy is slipping.

I don't think there is anywhere to go that doesn't have issues. Rampant stupidity and liberal attitudes are ruining everything. The only place I'm happy is in bed, asleep.

north country gal · 06-27-2019, 05:25 PM

I can tell you from some hard-earned experience, that if you're looking for a good job and not just a job so you don't have to live out of your car (as many newcomers do), you better find a job, first, before moving to a state you think would be a nice place to live. The western states, in particular, get flooded by folks who move in, first, for that western experience, then try to find a good job, second. Competition for good jobs is beyond belief in areas that have a high growth rate from this type of immigration. Been there, done that as a young couple. Yes, it's great to be close to the mountains and have all that hunting and fishing, but barely getting by, paychecks paycheck, with a junk job takes all the glamour out of it, real quick.

Mister Dave · 06-28-2019, 06:25 AM

^ With that advice given......

I did that, but fared slightly better. Good thing too because after a few weeks I didn't have a car to live in. I'm talking about "Silicon Valley" in 1980. It wasn't called that back then. After 5 years there I'd call it S-hole valley.

But I met and married my wife of 38 years there so I had some success too.

Anyway......

Stay away from "blue" states if you want to live above minimum wage standards. Look for work in suburban areas. Labor for a tradesman if you have no work experience. Learn the trade. My plumber says he can't find any employees under 50 years old right now. There's a big opportunity there. You can make six figures a year in the right trade, plumbing being one.

Dennis H · 06-28-2019, 07:12 AM

Did that at 23. No job prospect, no contacts, loaded the Ford ranger and moved to Colorado. That was 30yrs ago this August. Had I known the path the state would take politically I would have chosen Wyoming or Idaho.

KimberLover · 06-28-2019, 11:27 AM

OK, so here is the reason for asking:
My grandson has a degree from University of NC @ Charlotte.
25 years old and has worked for a moving and storage co. thru college.
I helped him complete his CC in our county.
He could have breezed right into the police academy and lached onto a $32,000/ year job, but was not his cup of tea to my discust.
He favors Colorado, but has no contacts there.
As for technical experience, he also works for a storage battery maintenance co. paired to the stroage building. I am sure that is limited to changing out batteries and manual labor.
So I'm going to fall back on Dennis H.
Got any thoughts that will help?
Any contacts?

bearcatter · 06-28-2019, 01:06 PM

What is his degree in? It would make sense for him to utilize that, being the strongest point on a resume. Assuming he got a useful degree in something he enjoys. So many college people go for dumb degrees that don't apply to many jobs and don't pay well.

I can understand someone passing up a police job at 32K a year. I make about that driving a bus, and after paying my parts of various benefits, there isn't enough left to make me smile, for sure. At least I haven't been shot at on the bus; not yet, anyway.

A good degree should be worth the 40 to 50K range to start, at least..

RetiredSeabee · 06-28-2019, 03:23 PM

At 32K to get shot at by drug dealers and the low life pieces of crap a cop has to put up with. I can’t fault him for not wanting to take that path.
My advice for what it’s worth back off and wish him well in whatever he decides to do.

Dennis H · 06-28-2019, 03:50 PM

The cost of living here in Colorado is high and getting higher with the liberal Democrats having a firm grip on all three houses in our state legislature. I guess my first question is what is his reason for wanting to come to Colorado? Young mans dreams I'm sure, no different than mine at his age. I'd spent a good bit of my youth reading the Outdoor Life, Field & Stream, and Sports Afield articles about hunting multiple species of big game in the rocky mountains, and knew I had to experience it. CSU also had a good wildlife biology/management program so that's how I made my choice and took the leap. Many of my friends and plenty of my family thought I was plumb crazy! I missed out on some time with my family for sure, and I'm sure as the grandad with old man wisdom that's at the forefront in your thoughts on his move. The solace I can offer you is you and your kids have raised an independent, self reliant, young man. Something to be proud of, you've done your job better than most! Tell him to chase his dreams, and you'll back his play, and if for some reason things don't work out you'll always be back there to welcome him back. I have a friend who is a higher up for a national moving company out here I could get him in contact with. What type of batteries is he working with? Auto? Or something larger? Solar, and oil and gas are hot out here right now and plenty of companies are hiring. Solar because we have 300 odd days of sunshine, and oil and gas because of fracking. The harder you try to steer him away from the move, the more convinced he'll be it's the right decision. Independent, self reliant young men are hard headed as well!

Mister Dave · 06-28-2019, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetiredSeabee

My advice for what it’s worth back off and wish him well in whatever he decides to do.

We have a winner! We all have to live our own lives.

KimberLover · 06-29-2019, 11:31 AM

So the degree is in communications and to me that is worthless. But with a little experience he could land in supervision. I think he has an offer in Colorado working in construction. The offer is work in the field for a short time to learn the ropes then step into a supervisory role.
Without me knowing what the construction is, leaves me wondering.

bearcatter · 06-29-2019, 11:48 AM

One online site lists these possibilities for a communications degree. Not so bad :

•Public relations manager
•Marketing manager
•Social media marketer
•Web development
•Advertising specialist
•Human resources specialist
•Business manager
•Online publisher
•Legal assistant

Could he move into construction supervision with moving, storage, and battery experience? That sounds iffy, I'd have to get that promise in black and white. Residential construction is a yo-yo these days. Commercial projects seem pretty steady.

Dennis H · 06-30-2019, 07:20 AM

Do you know what construction company made him the offer?

Dennis H · 07-03-2019, 02:56 PM

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...-SfuHp79T_iv8E

KimberLover · 07-04-2019, 05:50 AM

I wil pass what I have found here along to the young man.

NMpops · 07-13-2019, 10:43 PM

40+ years ago I did choose and I chose New Mexico. No regrets great place to live and raise my kids. For right now I live in Arizona, also a great place to live and I split my time between AZ and NM.

Danwin22 · 08-09-2019, 01:03 PM

My plan is to win the lottery and then move to Western Montana.

I have ruled out the beautiful states of Colorado and Washington due to blatant liberalism.

Dennis H · 08-10-2019, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danwin22

My plan is to win the lottery and then move to Western Montana.

I have ruled out the beautiful states of Colorado and Washington due to blatant liberalism.

Id go a bit furrhee west or south, Montana is tryin to out due Colorado.

06-27-2019, 05:48 AM	#1
KimberLover Senior Member Joined: Sep 2013 From: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,157	State of choice So, I'm courious: If you were a young man and were looking for a job, but wanted a good state to live in where would you go? And why?

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06-27-2019, 06:08 AM	#2
Terry_P Super Moderator Joined: Apr 2008 From: Where it's warm Posts: 10,615	A few years ago I would have said NH but we are changing. Still no sales or income taxes and business taxes were lowered under the current governor but illegal voting by out of staters (aka voter fraud) and morons from deep blue states relocating up here are turning the tables. Too much uncertainty plus housing costs are quite high. Truthfully if I were young and looking at starting out it would be where there are wide open spaces and beautiful country like Wyoming.

06-27-2019, 08:03 AM	#3
44s Rock Senior Member Joined: Jan 2009 From: Far Western WA. Posts: 10,968	Depending on income, I'd like to split between Idaho and AZ. Outdoor activities and Native American history! Washington is on a fast slide int a cesspool!

06-27-2019, 08:55 AM	#4
bearcatter Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Virginia Posts: 4,012	I used to dream of living in the Southwest. NM, AZ, maybe somewhere in the western half of Texas. Mostly because of the weather, and there are still a lot of little towns that are close, but not too close, to cities. Now, the politics seem to be changing for the worst, that area is most affected by all the illegals, and the economy is slipping. I don't think there is anywhere to go that doesn't have issues. Rampant stupidity and liberal attitudes are ruining everything. The only place I'm happy is in bed, asleep.

06-27-2019, 05:25 PM	#5
north country gal Senior Member Joined: Jan 2013 From: northern wisconsin Posts: 6,001	I can tell you from some hard-earned experience, that if you're looking for a good job and not just a job so you don't have to live out of your car (as many newcomers do), you better find a job, first, before moving to a state you think would be a nice place to live. The western states, in particular, get flooded by folks who move in, first, for that western experience, then try to find a good job, second. Competition for good jobs is beyond belief in areas that have a high growth rate from this type of immigration. Been there, done that as a young couple. Yes, it's great to be close to the mountains and have all that hunting and fishing, but barely getting by, paychecks paycheck, with a junk job takes all the glamour out of it, real quick.

06-28-2019, 06:25 AM	#6
Mister Dave Senior Member Joined: Apr 2019 From: Illinois Posts: 226	^ With that advice given...... I did that, but fared slightly better. Good thing too because after a few weeks I didn't have a car to live in. I'm talking about "Silicon Valley" in 1980. It wasn't called that back then. After 5 years there I'd call it S-hole valley. But I met and married my wife of 38 years there so I had some success too. Anyway...... Stay away from "blue" states if you want to live above minimum wage standards. Look for work in suburban areas. Labor for a tradesman if you have no work experience. Learn the trade. My plumber says he can't find any employees under 50 years old right now. There's a big opportunity there. You can make six figures a year in the right trade, plumbing being one.

06-28-2019, 07:12 AM	#7
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	Did that at 23. No job prospect, no contacts, loaded the Ford ranger and moved to Colorado. That was 30yrs ago this August. Had I known the path the state would take politically I would have chosen Wyoming or Idaho.

06-28-2019, 11:27 AM	#8
KimberLover Senior Member Joined: Sep 2013 From: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,157	OK, so here is the reason for asking: My grandson has a degree from University of NC @ Charlotte. 25 years old and has worked for a moving and storage co. thru college. I helped him complete his CC in our county. He could have breezed right into the police academy and lached onto a $32,000/ year job, but was not his cup of tea to my discust. He favors Colorado, but has no contacts there. As for technical experience, he also works for a storage battery maintenance co. paired to the stroage building. I am sure that is limited to changing out batteries and manual labor. So I'm going to fall back on Dennis H. Got any thoughts that will help? Any contacts?

06-28-2019, 01:06 PM	#9
bearcatter Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Virginia Posts: 4,012	What is his degree in? It would make sense for him to utilize that, being the strongest point on a resume. Assuming he got a useful degree in something he enjoys. So many college people go for dumb degrees that don't apply to many jobs and don't pay well. I can understand someone passing up a police job at 32K a year. I make about that driving a bus, and after paying my parts of various benefits, there isn't enough left to make me smile, for sure. At least I haven't been shot at on the bus; not yet, anyway. A good degree should be worth the 40 to 50K range to start, at least..

06-28-2019, 03:23 PM	#10
RetiredSeabee Super Moderator Joined: Dec 2012 From: Harrisburg, North Carolina Posts: 4,277	At 32K to get shot at by drug dealers and the low life pieces of crap a cop has to put up with. I can’t fault him for not wanting to take that path. My advice for what it’s worth back off and wish him well in whatever he decides to do.

06-28-2019, 03:50 PM	#11
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	The cost of living here in Colorado is high and getting higher with the liberal Democrats having a firm grip on all three houses in our state legislature. I guess my first question is what is his reason for wanting to come to Colorado? Young mans dreams I'm sure, no different than mine at his age. I'd spent a good bit of my youth reading the Outdoor Life, Field & Stream, and Sports Afield articles about hunting multiple species of big game in the rocky mountains, and knew I had to experience it. CSU also had a good wildlife biology/management program so that's how I made my choice and took the leap. Many of my friends and plenty of my family thought I was plumb crazy! I missed out on some time with my family for sure, and I'm sure as the grandad with old man wisdom that's at the forefront in your thoughts on his move. The solace I can offer you is you and your kids have raised an independent, self reliant, young man. Something to be proud of, you've done your job better than most! Tell him to chase his dreams, and you'll back his play, and if for some reason things don't work out you'll always be back there to welcome him back. I have a friend who is a higher up for a national moving company out here I could get him in contact with. What type of batteries is he working with? Auto? Or something larger? Solar, and oil and gas are hot out here right now and plenty of companies are hiring. Solar because we have 300 odd days of sunshine, and oil and gas because of fracking. The harder you try to steer him away from the move, the more convinced he'll be it's the right decision. Independent, self reliant young men are hard headed as well!

06-29-2019, 11:31 AM	#13
KimberLover Senior Member Joined: Sep 2013 From: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,157	So the degree is in communications and to me that is worthless. But with a little experience he could land in supervision. I think he has an offer in Colorado working in construction. The offer is work in the field for a short time to learn the ropes then step into a supervisory role. Without me knowing what the construction is, leaves me wondering.

06-29-2019, 11:48 AM	#14
bearcatter Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Virginia Posts: 4,012	One online site lists these possibilities for a communications degree. Not so bad : •Public relations manager •Marketing manager •Social media marketer •Web development •Advertising specialist •Human resources specialist •Business manager •Online publisher •Legal assistant Could he move into construction supervision with moving, storage, and battery experience? That sounds iffy, I'd have to get that promise in black and white. Residential construction is a yo-yo these days. Commercial projects seem pretty steady.

06-30-2019, 07:20 AM	#15
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	Do you know what construction company made him the offer?

07-03-2019, 02:56 PM	#16
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...-SfuHp79T_iv8E

07-04-2019, 05:50 AM	#17
KimberLover Senior Member Joined: Sep 2013 From: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,157	I wil pass what I have found here along to the young man.

07-13-2019, 10:43 PM	#18
NMpops Junior Member Joined: Mar 2019 Posts: 3	40+ years ago I did choose and I chose New Mexico. No regrets great place to live and raise my kids. For right now I live in Arizona, also a great place to live and I split my time between AZ and NM.

08-09-2019, 01:03 PM	#19
Danwin22 Member Joined: Mar 2018 From: Longwood, Fl Posts: 80	My plan is to win the lottery and then move to Western Montana. I have ruled out the beautiful states of Colorado and Washington due to blatant liberalism.