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Old 09-07-2019, 07:03 AM   #1
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Guardian issue (?)

In looking over the new Guardian, I found what may be an issue, but I'm not sure what to think. I've sent these photos to NAA for their opinion. The gun to the right is the new one.

It appears they over-machined the top of the barrel, on both sides of the center rib. It's actually part of the frame and has a kind of square profile. The photos show the rear doesn't match up well with the slide. Less metal above the bore. The center rib ends up taller, and the front sight taller. The sight seems to be the same height above the center of the bore on both guns, though. The rib curves in a bit by the right side of the sight, making it look offset at first glance, but it's not.

Doesn't look quite as nice, but it may have no effect on function or safety. Being the frame, correcting it would mean another gun, and the chance of a worse flaw?
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Old 09-07-2019, 08:09 AM   #2
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I'm failing to see why it's any sort of a "flaw" or issue. The net effect is that the sight sits up a little more off the slide. That's a good thing. The metal is a little thinner above the barrel, but c'mon, it's a .32. As far as looks, it doesn't look any worse or better IMHO.
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I would see how it shoots and if it is to POA then doubt if there is any issue. Tough for me to see anything major like the over tightened BBL on the SP101 of several years ago. Hey you won't be the one looking at that end anyway.
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I don't see it as a flaw, just a difference. That's why I'm not sure what to think. When holding two of the same model gun, one expects them to be identical, give or take a few thousandths. These aren't, I've looked over every online photo, and none match this difference. So I figured it was worth NAA's opinion. They pride themselves on quality fit and finish.

FWIW, Guardians have an open top slide, like Berettas.
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Maybe they lightened up the slide to improve ejection reliability? Or lighten weight? Do the 2 weigh any different?
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Old 09-07-2019, 09:37 AM   #6
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Slides are the same. Only change is the top of the barrel, maybe someone put the wrong number in a CNC cutter. This photo shows well the barrel being part of the frame.

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Is there a Guardian forum you can go to for opinions?
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:07 PM   #8
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NAA runs their own forum, but it's mostly populated by owners of the mini revolvers. Just a handful of Guardian people. I'm bearcatter there, too.

I think the gun is fine, just with visible differences involving the barrel, I figured it wouldn't hurt to get NAA's opinion. Shaky said it's only a .32, but it still has 21000 psi when it goes off, more than a .38 Special.
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Be interested to hear what NAA has to say. I had problems getting my mini mag into the safety notch and carried it with 4 loaded and hammer down on an empty chamber. I also had some clicks but no bang and then I noticed a broken piece of roll pin was blocking the hammer from completely going forward. Once I removed it everything was fine. I never contacted them either before or after.
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:56 AM   #10
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NAA has a solid reputation for good customer service, equal to or better than Ruger. They have a lifetime guarantee, that they honor on guns beyond one owner.

My case is a good example of their CS. Their service manager emailed me back yesterday, Sunday, to let me know she had forwarded my email to the main technician and I should get an answer in a day or two.
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Did they respond?
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I'm getting a little disappointed in them. I sent them the photos Saturday, knowing they're closed weekends. The manager emailed me Sunday saying she had forwarded it to the tech guy and he would contact me this week. She said she had a working weekend out of state, so that explained a Sunday email.

No email as of their (Utah) lunch time yesterday. Sent a friendly reminder to the manager. She said she had just gotten back from trip and would check with him. They had four hours left to quitting time. Still no answer this morning.

I understand her having an unusual assignment could confuse things a little, but shouldn't keep me waiting five days.

I'll maybe send another reminder and cross my fingers. At least in the meantime I've learned that they do return repaired or replaced guns directly to the owner, per ATF rules. No FFL stop like paranoid Ruger does.

EDIT: 2:30 PM, still no answer. I did some measuring and emailed the tech people directly. I was maybe right to be concerned, I measure the bore being 10-12 thousandths higher at muzzle than it should be, not parallel like older gun.

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Very welcome answer back from engineer later yesterday!

He apologized and explained that he'd been researching production to see what caused my issues. My measurements rang a bell; seems the frame casting was in the holder wrong and the cutter computers didn't sense it. They want the gun back to research. I'll likely get a shipping label Monday.

I've seen videos of a part being machined. It gets flipped every which way as cutters on robot arms are moved onto it. Takes minutes to do what used to take hours, pretty amazing.
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Did he say when the newby will be on the way?
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Did he say when the newby will be on the way?
I guess once they get my gun back. They're sending me a shipping label, I'd guess by email, Monday.
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I'm glad to hear they're makin it right for you, BC.
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:37 AM   #17
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Making it right for them and future customers, too. My take is they haven't had that happen before, and studying it to know how to avoid it again.
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Old 09-18-2019, 10:03 AM   #18
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Well, I got my shipping label and dropped the gun off at Fed Ex. They should have it Friday. So with any luck I'll have the replacement middle of next week.
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Good deal. Maybe they'll send you a couple mags for your troubles. Post up some pics.
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Old 09-21-2019, 04:49 AM   #20
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I have five spare mags already, not counting what's in the guns. One of them was free for the contest entry, and they announce the winner next week. I'm sure I have a snowball's chance in Miami on that.

I just want the gun back. This has been going on since the seventh. They got it yesterday morning, but I didn't hear a word.
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