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Old 02-23-2014, 04:08 PM   #1
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Bear gun sight question

I picked up my new Remington manufactured Marlin Guide Gun a couple of days ago (Friday) took it to the range and fired it yesterday. I am very happy with the way that it looks and extremely happy with the way it shoots. I thought about scoping it, like my .444P but am now thinking about a good set of receiver or peep sights for it.

I have a few Williams 5D and FP sights and like them both. Any advice or opinions about the Skinner or AO sights?

Any experience with the DRC winged ghost ring and front sight set? I like the looks of them.
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:32 PM   #2
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The Skinners are a great option for a backwoods/survival gun because of their durability. They are darn near bombproof, being all steel, and because they are so streamlined, much less likely to snag on brush than the Williams. On the down side, some of them do require changing out the front sight to a taller front sight. Had a 444S with the Express which sits lower than most Skinners and was able to stay with the factory front, however. Not sure how that would translate to the 444P, but the Express is a great sight, all the same, if for no other reason than just looks.

The one thing I don't like on Skinners are the rather crude adjustments. Not a great option on a gun where you will be chanaging back and forth between loads or shooting at a wide variety of distances. Their adjustments really make them at their best for a gun that will be using one basic load or maybe two. Once set, though, they are rock solid.

The Williams FP is click adjustable and ideal for a gun that you will be using with a variety of loads and only rarely requires a change to a taller front sight. I also like the way the FP sights low on the receiver, so you get a great cheek weld. You have to be careful not to over torque the the locking screws in order not to strip them. That said, I've never had a failure with one. Love the FP for range work. The 5D is like the Skinner in terms of adjustment - no clicks. Very reasonable price, though.

Speaking of Williams, I do not like the Guide. Sits way high off the receiver and absolutely requires a taller front. If you opt for the Guide, get the kit supplied with the front sight.

I have no experience with XS, but do know it sights way high off the receiver, like the Guide and that gets you right back to needing the matching front sight.

Me, I love a low power scout setup, best of all. Gets me the fast sight acquisition of irons, more visibility and, especially on a woods gun, the ability to see better in low light and/or into shadows in a way iron sights never will. A scout also leaves the receiver clean and bare for the sake of carry. I also find that even 2x allows me to extend my usable shooting range over iron. They're not for everyone, though, but my first choice for a woods gun.

Here's my old 444s with a scout setup.

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NCG, thanks for the good info. From what I read on the Skinner website, the Express sight is lower than their other sights and should be able to be used with the factory front sight.

The rifle that I am talking about is a .45-70 (1895G). I am considering scoping it with low powered scope as I have done to my 444P (which I intend to leave scoped). But I am leaning more toward iron sights for the new Guide Gun, I just need more of a sight radius than the 14 or so inches that the factory set up has.

I wish that the Skinner's were easily adjustable because I do think that they are very good looking, especially the Express series.
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The Skinners aren't hard to adjust, it's just that there is no indexing to guide you in the adjustments. On mine, I've simply scratched in some marks with an exacto knife but you could also just use the masking tape trick.
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My new bear gun. I am convince now that I will remove the rail and install a receiver sight of some kind, just need to decide which one.

Marlin 1895G chambered in .45-70 Government


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Congrats on a Marlin classic! Looks like we'll both be in the 45-70 game, now. I have both an Encore rifle and pistol in 45-70 that I have yet to get out and shoot, thanks to our unusually severe winter. Had a Marlin in 444 and loved it, but got offered too good a price on it and let it go. Always wanted the 45-70, anyway, for its great versatility and, of course, history. After all, what could be more classic than a 45-70 single shot rifle? Okay, the Encore is no traditional single shot like a Springfield, but I suspect that once I start shooting my Encores in 45-70, I will forget all about that technicality (probably because some of the guys on my TC forum are getting 1" groups at a hundred yards with the pistol).


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I like the contender and encore carbines. I had an early contender carbine in .22LR and always intended to get other barrels but never did and ended up trading it off. I will be curious to hear how yours shoots.
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Nice set up in rifle and hand gun.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:32 AM   #9
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Thanks. My Encores are in the queue of new guns acquired over the winter that need to go to the range and get sighted in, but this has been a really nasty winter, so it may be awhile, yet, before I can report back on them.
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