Rifle Stock Busted

Pallidin · 03-19-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by north country gal

My biggest problem with a repair job, no matter how good, would be trusting it. I'd always be nervous about the stock breaking, again, even though I know that the right repair would actually make it stronger than the original. Just not conducive to peace of mind for me. As mentioned, first step would be to contact Uberti and see what they say.

Yes, I'll be nervous for sure. I could spend the money for new stocks, but I've recently joined the Social Security fixed income glass of gent and am quickly seeing that I can't casually throw money around as if it grew on trees....... like I did for the previous 66 years of my life.

Thanks.

PS From my research I'm believing that there is no such thing as, "...stronger than the original..." when it comes to wood repair adhesives. The adhesive may be stronger but the adjacent wood is no stronger than it was originally and will be just as prone to break as it always was.

RetiredSeabee · 03-19-2014, 02:24 PM

I would also check around where you live for a cabinet maker. Some of them are very good woodworkers. If you can find someone who lists themselves as a furniture maker that would be even better.

Pallidin · 03-19-2014, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RetiredSeabee

I would also check around where you live for a cabinet maker. Some of them are very good woodworkers. If you can find someone who lists themselves as a furniture maker that would be even better.

You, Sir, have a unique perspective on the situation. I would not have thought of that in a zillion or so years. I'll keep it mind for sure.

Thanks.

KS95B40 · 03-19-2014, 04:06 PM

Sorry Pallidin, I didn't read far enough into it. I didn't see the part where they don't recommend their stock for replicas.
The furniture repair / cabinet maker sounds like a good lead though.good luck!

Pallidin · 03-19-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KS95B40

Sorry Pallidin, I didn't read far enough into it. I didn't see the part where they don't recommend their stock for replicas.
The furniture repair / cabinet maker sounds like a good lead though.good luck!

No problem. Glad to hear about the Web site. I often encounter Web sites that advertise products they don't actually carry and have little or no intention of obtaining them. 4 weeks ago I ordered an item from tooldiscounters.com. They had the best price by a few bucks. Never occurred to me it wouldn't be in stock. They still don't have it. They've enjoyed my money all this time. Many businesses survive this way and have no one to answer too in the long run. So, shame on me for always going for the low bid, so to speak.

Pallidin · 03-28-2014, 10:45 AM

Well, Cimarron's gunsmith encouraged me to contact one of the VP's to see if they would, "....do something for you.". Happy to say the fella I talked to at least offered to sell me a stock at dealer's cost which is about 35% less than their normal retail price.

So, while waiting for the new stock I decided to take a crack, ha ha ha, at fixing the broken stock. The break was perfectly clean and the two pieces mated together with no gaps showing anywhere. So then at some point I fumbled the biggest piece and it hit the garage floor right on the sharp edge of the break and ruined any chance of getting a seamless joint. To make matters even worse I needed to expand the holes I drilled for the pins in order for the pins and two stock pieces to line up. The first three holes went fine. But on the last hole I got in a rush and forced the drill bit too hard and ended up breaking 3 or 4 small pieces off the stock. That really buggered any chance for a seamless job. After using Elmer's Wood glue to put those pieces back together, and Loctite epoxy on the 3" threaded brass bolts I used for pins, I used duct tape to cinch it all together and waited overnight for it to dry.

It's not bad actually.....until you closely inspect it, then it's obvious there is a seam. Hard to say how strong it is compared to the original.......well, compared to an original stock that has the grain running the right direction. It was an interesting project and something very doable if you don't get in a hurry and not butter-fingered.

VR

I'll try to get some close-up macro shots of the joint for your viewing entertainment.

gunjunkie · 03-28-2014, 12:50 PM

I'm glad to hear that they are helping you out. Plus, now you have some experience at stock repair.

303Lithgow · 03-28-2014, 02:43 PM

It can't be as bad as this one. This WWII rifle has nine repair plugs. Sometimes a rifle is just meant to be shot and not look purdy. As a collector of military weapons I don't mind them being repaired like this. Its part of their history.

Pete · 05-19-2014, 05:27 PM

Another thing, you are NOT going to get a good piece of wood for 75 or 80 bucks.
If you choose to make or have made a new stock, you want to inspect the wood before you buy IN PERSON.
That piece of wood you have is typical of a lot of junk they sell these days. A glue job will get it back in one piece but it very likely will break again near the present break.
Putting a through bolt in the stock is probably the best fix you can use there.

303Lithgow · 05-19-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete

Another thing, you are NOT going to get a good piece of wood for 75 or 80 bucks.
If you choose to make or have made a new stock, you want to inspect the wood before you buy IN PERSON.
That piece of wood you have is typical of a lot of junk they sell these days. A glue job will get it back in one piece but it very likely will break again near the present break.
Putting a through bolt in the stock is probably the best fix you can use there.

To me this is a beautiful piece of history and I have no plans to do anything with it except to shoot it.

Dennis H · 05-19-2014, 05:40 PM

Your exactly right pallidin, without dowels or pins or jb it will just crack again 1/8 or so from the glue. Bad situation all the way around sounds like. I think tgr idea with the jb product is best that way you won't have to line up dowel holes exactly....but I'm just an old dumb carpenter....good luck... I feel your pain!

Pallidin · 05-20-2014, 09:06 AM

Hey, I see you are in Colorado. I lived in Boulder for 23 years before moving to California. My mother, 90, is still there.

Dennis H · 05-20-2014, 10:20 AM

Yep I'm closer to cheyenne than most co towns

Pete · 05-20-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pallidin

Yup, I didn't seriously expect anyone to say, 'Hey, let's do the right thing here and immediately ship him a new set of stocks free of charge!" I know it's naïve but even in my old age I keep hoping to encounter someone like that. Why doesn't Cimarron realize that they would get some serious, powerful and positive advertising about their products in return for what is to them just a few bucks worth of wood. Oh no, let's hold the customer up for every buck we can. Very shortsighted in my opinion. Had they even tried to give me a discount of some sort I'd be happy and sing their praises to whomever in my circle of friends might be interested. Nope, ain't gonna happen. Instead, they'll have a disgruntled old man calling them names, justified or not......and I know quite a few guys who spend money on fancy old west replicas like I have......but I'll be certain to tell them what to expect from Cimarron after the one year warranty is over, defect or not.

Regarding a jig to apply pressure I think I'll have to resort to duct tape going round and round length wise considering how this is busted. As to glue I'm thinking you are right that Elmer's Wood glue is probably as good as anything more exotic, at least for the break surfaces. If I install metal pins I'll probably be best served there by an epoxy of some sort. I've read that something called Acragel glass, or is it Acraglass Gel.....some such name...... is a popular epoxy for pinning.

Thanks.

PS I've been doing lots of reading about wood adhesives and noted several times that the fact that the glue claims to be stronger than the wood is somewhat misleading......yes, it's stronger, but the wood adjacent to the glue is still just as prone to breaking as it was before. That's why I'm still thinking I'll need to pin this sucker somehow to give it a chance to survive.

Are you familiar with through bolts?
I can just about guarantee if that stock was fixed with one it would never break again.

Dennis H · 05-20-2014, 07:17 PM

We call boulder 35 square miles surrounded by reality. The way our votings gone lately that area might b a bit bigger!

Dennis H · 05-20-2014, 07:35 PM

Pete r u thinkin of takein off the butt plate and drilling all the way through the length of the stock?

Pete · 05-20-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis H

Pete r u thinkin of takein off the butt plate and drilling all the way through the length of the stock?

Yes. It is routinely done on large caliber lever guns to keep the stock from splitting.
If that stock was doweled and glued then through bolted it would probably last forever.

Dennis H · 05-20-2014, 07:59 PM

I agree! More sound than original with the steel bolt the length of the stock

shortgrass · 05-10-2015, 11:45 AM

I realize this is an old thread and I'm new here, but my suggestion if Cimarron wasn't going to cut you a deal on a new stock, would be to glue it best as you can and find a reputable stock duplicator and send it to him for pattern. There are many who do this sort of work and they know wood. The guy doing the duplication may want to do the 'gluing' of the pattern, himself. Sounds like a tough deal from Cimarron to me, but that's how I'd fix it. Good stock duplicators understand grain flow and how to lay out stock. The stock duplication usually runs from $100-$150. The wood, the sky is the limit, but a solid Black Walnut blank for a two piece should be in the neighborhood of $150 , more or less. Fitting and finishing, can you do the work yourself?

05-10-2015, 11:45 AM	#39
shortgrass Junior Member Joined: May 2015 From: Western Oklahoma Posts: 1	stock repair I realize this is an old thread and I'm new here, but my suggestion if Cimarron wasn't going to cut you a deal on a new stock, would be to glue it best as you can and find a reputable stock duplicator and send it to him for pattern. There are many who do this sort of work and they know wood. The guy doing the duplication may want to do the 'gluing' of the pattern, himself. Sounds like a tough deal from Cimarron to me, but that's how I'd fix it. Good stock duplicators understand grain flow and how to lay out stock. The stock duplication usually runs from $100-$150. The wood, the sky is the limit, but a solid Black Walnut blank for a two piece should be in the neighborhood of $150 , more or less. Fitting and finishing, can you do the work yourself?

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03-19-2014, 02:24 PM	#22
RetiredSeabee Super Moderator Joined: Dec 2012 From: Harrisburg, North Carolina Posts: 4,278	I would also check around where you live for a cabinet maker. Some of them are very good woodworkers. If you can find someone who lists themselves as a furniture maker that would be even better.

03-19-2014, 04:06 PM	#24
KS95B40 Senior Member Joined: Apr 2013 From: Kansas Posts: 519	Sorry Pallidin, I didn't read far enough into it. I didn't see the part where they don't recommend their stock for replicas. The furniture repair / cabinet maker sounds like a good lead though.good luck!

03-28-2014, 12:50 PM	#27
gunjunkie Senior Member Joined: Jan 2014 From: Texas Panhandle. Posts: 3,846	I'm glad to hear that they are helping you out. Plus, now you have some experience at stock repair.

03-28-2014, 02:43 PM	#28
303Lithgow Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: Washington State Posts: 16,373	It can't be as bad as this one. This WWII rifle has nine repair plugs. Sometimes a rifle is just meant to be shot and not look purdy. As a collector of military weapons I don't mind them being repaired like this. Its part of their history.

05-19-2014, 05:27 PM	#29
Pete Senior Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: Wa. Posts: 161	Another thing, you are NOT going to get a good piece of wood for 75 or 80 bucks. If you choose to make or have made a new stock, you want to inspect the wood before you buy IN PERSON. That piece of wood you have is typical of a lot of junk they sell these days. A glue job will get it back in one piece but it very likely will break again near the present break. Putting a through bolt in the stock is probably the best fix you can use there.

05-19-2014, 05:40 PM	#31
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	Your exactly right pallidin, without dowels or pins or jb it will just crack again 1/8 or so from the glue. Bad situation all the way around sounds like. I think tgr idea with the jb product is best that way you won't have to line up dowel holes exactly....but I'm just an old dumb carpenter....good luck... I feel your pain!

05-20-2014, 09:06 AM	#32
Pallidin Member Joined: Apr 2013 From: Escondido, CA Posts: 36	Hey, I see you are in Colorado. I lived in Boulder for 23 years before moving to California. My mother, 90, is still there.

05-20-2014, 10:20 AM	#33
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	Yep I'm closer to cheyenne than most co towns

05-20-2014, 07:17 PM	#35
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	We call boulder 35 square miles surrounded by reality. The way our votings gone lately that area might b a bit bigger!

05-20-2014, 07:35 PM	#36
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	Pete r u thinkin of takein off the butt plate and drilling all the way through the length of the stock?

05-20-2014, 07:59 PM	#38
Dennis H Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: colorado Posts: 5,660	I agree! More sound than original with the steel bolt the length of the stock

Rifle Stock Busted

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