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Old 03-27-2014, 01:14 AM   #1
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Winchester 1894 wcf 1926 need info

I just acquired a win 1894 WCF 1928
Fired 2 rounds all good good firing pin hole on primer good.
Accept the extraction is poor.
Stripped it right down, cleaned it, oiled it.
Over all very good.
The barrel is 26 inch with a dove tail underneath between the muzzle and the tube.
Also a hole for the tube cap screw if there was a full length tube.
Tube is short hold 5 rounds.
Was this barrel made for a long tube and a short tube option.
OR
Did someone change the barrel or the tube.
Or did they make them like that.
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The extractor still does not work good even after the clean.
It sits little higher then the top of the bolt is this a common height.
On both my post 64 and pre 64 win 94 30 30 the extractor is flush with
the top of the bolt.
Did some one change the extractor.
Seem to me the extractor is not deep enough into the bolt face to do a good extraction.
All an any comments welcome
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:59 AM   #2
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I suspect that your rifle originally had a full length tube. Is there another dovetail cut to support the short tube or is the endcap on the stock it's only support?

I believe that if the short tube was original, there would be a dovetail cut near the end of the tube and none near the muzzle.
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That barrel originally had a full length mag tube on it . It has the dove tail cut in for the FL tube and at the end of barrel has the hole for the tube spring cap screw . Some one has cut another dove tail in the barrel for the short tube . See if the barrel is numbered to receiver . They hurt the collect value of the gun with those modification . Yes the extractor need to be fitted correctly .
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I suspect that your rifle originally had a full length tube. Is there another dovetail cut to support the short tube or is the endcap on the stock it's only support?

I believe that if the short tube was original, there would be a dovetail cut near the end of the tube and none near the muzzle.
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That's what I though.
The end cap as it is now has the screw that goes through the cap and tube and sets in the barrel just like on the 94 models. No dove tail. So it looks like they cut the tube.
I will check the spring from one of my other win 30 30 and see if they cut the spring also.
In comparison to the other springs.
Interesting Humm
I not to worried about collector value, I'm more interest in a good shooting old gun made with quality parts that works.
An antique for the sake of an antique may not put food on the table or save your life, From animal or man. LOL
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That barrel originally had a full length mag tube on it . It has the dove tail cut in for the FL tube and at the end of barrel has the hole for the tube spring cap screw . Some one has cut another dove tail in the barrel for the short tube . See if the barrel is numbered to receiver . They hurt the collect value of the gun with those modification . Yes the extractor need to be fitted correctly .
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Good though on the barrel number I was thing that myself. but never got the chance to check
I just got in off my Tractor 1956 Fordson super major with rear snow blower.
We got hit with a blizzard last night and drifts are 3 feet high.
Having a coffee then back to the shop to check that out..
Guess I will break both rifles down and check the extractor and compare.
to see the differences.
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We rarely get blizzards, as such, here in our north woods, just every other day doses of snow, all winter long. Getting another three inches, tonight.
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We rarely get blizzards, as such, here in our north woods, just every other day doses of snow, all winter long. Getting another three inches, tonight.
We rarely get them also but Hey we are on an Island and it was blowin hard last night.
The good thing is the power never went out, nothing broke, stayed warm with the wood stove, and alive to work on my Win 30 WCF again now that I know I can can out and in again on the road. LOL
We get use to it in the country in the back of the back woods.
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That barrel originally had a full length mag tube on it . It has the dove tail cut in for the FL tube and at the end of barrel has the hole for the tube spring cap screw . Some one has cut another dove tail in the barrel for the short tube . See if the barrel is numbered to receiver . They hurt the collect value of the gun with those modification . Yes the extractor need to be fitted correctly .
I think it is the original barrel, can't see any numbers but extractor grove is fitted right and the stamps on barrel and receiver are the same.
Too a spring out of the 94 pre 64 it is longer, so they must have cut the tube and spring.
My other though is a round went off in the tube, so the tube had to be cut.
Or some one cut for a custom fit way back when it wasn't a collecters item
Like 50 60 years ago.
Will check the tube again when I strip it to work on the extractor
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The only blizzards we have here in the Tx desert is ones from Dairy Queen. .

I'm glad they didn't cut a another dove tail in the barrel . You can order original new and used part from this company to bring it back to original again if you want . You need serial # to order parts The tube is $22 order all the parts you need because the shipping and handling is the same price .

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The only blizzards we have here in the Tx desert is ones from Dairy Queen. .

I'm glad they didn't cut a another dove tail in the barrel . You can order original new and used part from this company to bring it back to original again if you want . You need serial # to order parts

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufact...re64-34346.htm
Yes I know them.
I may just leave it as it is, cut the barrel down to 20" and I will have a kinda Henry mares tail rifle.
The main issue now is the extractor.
Just finished breakfast and lunch all in one, so back to the shop and strip both rifles down
and see what the story is.
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Dec 2013 was mild comparred to lat night

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Normal winter scene of our place, but the mountain of snow at the edge of the driveway is even higher, this year.

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This my big snow storm of 2011



This was taken at noon the same day

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this my big snow storm of 2011



this was taken at noon the same day

what month
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Exxtractor now working

Extractor was home made and not fitted right that is why is did not work extract.
I re ground, filed, sanded, buffed, blued it and put it all together.
Now it works.
I decided I will cut the barrel down to 20" from 26" , case harden the receiver, re do the wood. Put a side mount scope on it. It's my rifle now so what the heck. Who cares about Antique and value as long as the machinery works. LOL
The pic on the top is the win 94 pre 64 extractor I used as a comparison.
the bottom of the two is the one I refiled and fitted.

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I say we take a vote before you cut the barrel down to 20".
20" Winchesters are the most common. I know that it's not my rifle but if it was, I would do all the restoration work that you want except I would leave the barrel at 26" and find a full length magazine tube.i love long barreled rifles, especially Winchesters and Marlins.

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We get blizzards all the time.

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I say we take a vote before you cut the barrel down to 20".
20" Winchesters are the most common. I know that it's not my rifle but if it was, I would do all the restoration work that you want except I would leave the barrel at 26" and find a full length magazine tube.i love long barreled rifles, especially Winchesters and Marlins.
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I say we take a vote before you cut the barrel down to 20". 20" Winchesters are the most common. I know that it's not but if it was, I would do all the restoration work that you want except I would leave the barrel at 26" and find a full length magazine tube.i love long barreled rifles
+1 I can't believe you are thinking of Drilling and tapping that gun for a scope you will ruin that gun forever . There is no good reason to scope it and make a $125 gun out of it . A Winchester collector would love to have that gun just the way it is unrestored .
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what month
I will guess Jan 2011. That is the 1st snow fall in 5 yrs here. Jan 2014 was our next snow fall and we had 1/2 of that in the pic , but it stuck around and didn't melt the temp didn't get above 32 that day . The next day we hit 80 at noon .
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