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Old 11-24-2016, 12:15 AM   #1
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A lever with a prominent pistol grip (first part…)

Hi folks,

Some of you will say: “Lever rifle are just as good as they are.”, “Do not touch them.” “Who are you to do such a thing?”… I won’t blame you.

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You may see attached to that post, my lastest invention.

It combines the following advantages:
  • Pistol grip: better handling.
  • Collapsible stock: you may adjust the pull to your size
  • Picatinny rail: add what you feel like.
  • Lever: faster than a bolt.
  • The pistol grip and the lever are easily adaptable on any Mossberg 464 on the market.

Do not hesitate to say what you think - bad or good (no offense taken!)...
...and please, do not forget to poll!
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:10 AM   #2
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I voted no just on the thought and had not looked at the picture. Then it hit me. Why not? Many of us buy lever actions for the looks but this lever action was made for shootin'.
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Old 11-24-2016, 11:49 AM   #3
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I voted no just on the thought and had not looked at the picture. Then it hit me. Why not? Many of us buy lever actions for the looks but this lever action was made for shootin'.
I got your point. Made for shooting...
...or made for fun!

464 mossberg is quite light, and handling it by the grip is an interesting sensation.
Especially, when you are aiming your rifle toward the target and when you have to deal with the kicking back due to the recoil.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and please do not forget to poll !
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Old 11-25-2016, 07:04 AM   #4
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I voted no, although it looks very useful. I'm just very traditional about guns, an old dinosaur. I never could take to Mossberg's 464SPX:


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I never could take to Mossberg's 464SPX:
That Mossberg is a real ????? They need to fire the guy who made or designed it .
I vote NO . I don't even like scopes on centerfire lever guns . Tang sights is the only way to go .
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That Mossberg is a real ????? They need to fire the guy who made or designed it .
I vote NO . I don't even like scopes on centerfire lever guns . Tang sights is the only way to go .
Appearances set aside. I shoot a Marlin 336C in 35Rem with a 4X scope. Granted it does not look "traditional" with a scope, but it helps me shoot deer accurately.

I voted NO because the design is totally un-neccessary, and contradictory, in my opinion.
This concept works for semis, but not levers.
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Old 11-25-2016, 11:52 PM   #7
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That Mossberg is a real ????? They need to fire the guy who made or designed it .
I vote NO . I don't even like scopes on centerfire lever guns . Tang sights is the only way to go .
Hi tx gun runner !

As I can see, bearcatter is showing us the Mossberg 464 SPX. You may found that model on Mossberg’s website.
And I (Buldogun) presented a derivative from that model (which is the same one + a pistol grip).

To resume :
  • The lever rifle model “Mossberg 464” is a derivative from a "Winchester model 94”.
  • The lever rifle model “Mossberg 464 SPX” is a derivative from a “Mossberg 464”. If you prefer we can roughly say : “Mossberg 464 SPX” = “Mossberg 464” + “collapsible stock”
  • The lever rifle presented by “Buldogun” ” is a derivative from a “Mossberg 464 SPX”. Which gives us : “presented model” = “Mossberg 464” + “collapsible stock” + “prominent pistol grip”
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Appearances set aside. I shoot a Marlin 336C in 35Rem with a 4X scope. Granted it does not look "traditional" with a scope, but it helps me shoot deer accurately.

I voted NO because the design is totally un-neccessary, and contradictory, in my opinion.
This concept works for semis, but not levers.
Hi Ridge Runner !

Your remark deals with the very core of the problem. I made some statistics regarding type of rifles equipped with a prominent pistol grip:
  • Rifle semi — autos : 75%
  • Shotgun (pump + semi auto) : 38%
  • Bolt action : 7%
And of course: 0% for levers rifle.
So the model you are seeing here is just a prototype. A technical study.
  • Is it possible to add a prominent pistol grip : Yes
  • Is it possible to cycle the lever even with a pistol grip : Yes
  • Now I am guessing: am I the only guy on earth liking that design?
Whatever thank you for your comments!
And please, poll!

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I hate the way it looks but I would want to shoot one before nixing the idea.
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That just ain't right, and ort'a be named Hillary.

Why not just get an AR-10, and have a better cartridge, and a larger magazine capacity?
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I love lever guns and been shooting them since 1964 . I've owned over 100 lever gun in my life and here is a few I loved ..Sold all but 1 of them .
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That just ain't right, and ort'a be named Hillary.

Why not just get an AR-10, and have a better cartridge, and a larger magazine capacity?
Hi Gunjunkie

I have got your point. Just two remarks:

1) Here in France it is much easier to own a lever than an AR15. For the first one you just need to own a hunting or a shooting licence + an agreement from a medical doctor. And for the second (AR15) the police will make an inquiry on you. It may take 6 to 12 month. And evry 5 years, you have to ask for another authorisation.

2) Right for the larger capacity. But generally speaking a 3030 winch is much more powerfull than a 223 rem. But of course a 223 rem. has some advantages the 3030 winch does not have...

Erratum : Sorry you mentionned "AR10". See my second post here after...

But yeah...
I have got your point!

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I love lever guns and been shooting them since 1964 . I've owned over 100 lever gun in my life and here is a few I loved ..Sold all but 1 of them .
Hi Tx gun runner!

I am impressed! Very nice guns! And you are quite a nice shooter !
Much better than me....

You know one day a friend of mine proposed me an exchange : his supressed AR15 against my old winchester 94- 1907 vintage.

No way!
Even if his his rifle worth much more money than mine (for the barrel of my winch is pickled quite a bit). How on earth can you get rid of a part of history?

And as your pictures demonstrate it, a lever is a wonderfull tool in the most fitted hands!

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I hate the way it looks but I would want to shoot one before nixing the idea.
I concur. Even if the design is important, it is diffult to judge a rifle just on a picture. Better to try it before!

But do not worry, for the gun: the transformation is reversible!


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That just ain't right, and ort'a be named Hillary.

Why not just get an AR-10, and have a better cartridge, and a larger magazine capacity?
Sorry I did not notice : "AR10" and not "AR15".
True: larger magazine and better cartridge.

As the French thinker Blaise Pascal wrote, "The heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing"

Which means you cannot explain everything throught reason. The feeling has its part too.

For example, someday I feel like to shoot a lever and the following day I want to shoot a bolt...
... I think it is the reason why, some of us own several different type of rifle. Don't we?
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Bulldogun:

Just out of curiosity can you use a firearm for personal protection? For example is someone breaks into your home and threatens you with a knife can you access your firearm and shoot them? Can you own handguns? What are your storage requirements? How hard is it to get ammo? Just curious as to the laws over there.
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Hi Tx gun runner!

I am impressed! Very nice guns! And you are quite a nice shooter !
Much better than me....

You know one day a friend of mine proposed me an exchange : his supressed AR15 against my old winchester 94- 1907 vintage.

No way!
Even if his his rifle worth much more money than mine (for the barrel of my winch is pickled quite a bit). How on earth can you get rid of a part of history?

And as your pictures demonstrate it, a lever is a wonderfull tool in the most fitted hands!

Buldo.
I sure don't blame you.
I would never part with that 94.
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Not many moons ago I had a gun collector of over 175 high dollar guns . Being a gunsmith and shooter . I built most match guns and have no one to leave them too so I've been selling my collection off for the last 20 yrs . My ex-wife lives in Calif an 3/4 of my gun are illegal to sell in Calif and that is one reason why I moved from Calif . 90% of my guns are for sale at a fair price and I have a ton of ammo to go with them too. The more you buy the better the deal .

So if you get to Tx bring lots of money .
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I voted no, I like classic lever guns. Nice wood, nice blued metal, open sights no scope.
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Bulldogun:

Just out of curiosity can you use a firearm for personal protection? For example is someone breaks into your home and threatens you with a knife can you access your firearm and shoot them? Can you own handguns? What are your storage requirements? How hard is it to get ammo? Just curious as to the laws over there.
Terry,

That question is just fantastic! I created a thread on it on “Gunner forum/CWC”. See you there soon!

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