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Old 11-18-2016, 02:04 PM   #1
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A Tale of Two Pistols

Okay a little dramatic with the title.
I did slip away to the range today and took only two pistols.
My new S&W Victory and my first rimfire pistol Ruger SR22.
I haven't shot the Ruger in a while and honestly have considered using it as trade for quite a while on something new. But every time I do shoot it I smile. I can't explain it, it is just fun to shoot. Not terribly accurate for target work and the sights are simply okay. I think if I had a patch of woods to go out plinking in and some tin cans to shoot at short range purely just for fun plinking. This gun would be hard to part with. But even after shooting it today and enjoying every minute.... It is still on my list of guns to trade.
The Victory on the other hand is going nowhere. This is a sweet shooting pistol with a great trigger. I put my TRS 25 on it after the last range trip using the stock sights. I thought that I would have to spend a little time dialing in the red dot. It was last sitting on my Henry Mare's Leg. My first round went 1/2" right of my point of aim and I knew that was me not the red dot. My second shot was in the black diamond of the 2" target spot I aimed at.
I only spent 30 minutes shooting these two and sent 120 rounds down range. 50 with the Ruger 70 with the Smith.


Okay details if you want them:
All shots from a distance of 7 yards (21ft)
All Federal Automatch 40 grain solid round nose.
Target spots are 2"

The bottom three target spots were shot with the Ruger. The really bad looking one on the left was not my first target. The center was first and not bad if you deduct the three that went way low. Next was the left spot with ten rounds first that all went way left. Then I shot the right spot and was not happy but not discouraged. Total spread in the group was 2 3/8" not good but better than missing the target as I had on the left. So back to the left to see iff I could at least hit the orange spot. Not good In total I sent 35 rounds at that spot and only hit Orange with 7 of them. I don't know why shooting to the left was not working for me with this gun.

I put the Ruger away and was happy to see that the S&W was working much better for me. The first ten rounds were in the center spot and if I hadn't thrown one high right I would have been doing a happy dance. That one high shot made a 7/8" group become 1 3/8".
The rest of my shots were not bad. a few misses but all at least on target or close misses.
Overall very happy with the Smith and not unhappy with the Ruger. I need more trigger time and one of these days I will shoot the Smith from a rest to see what it is really capable of.

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Old 11-18-2016, 02:33 PM   #2
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Nice job Seabee--I liked the Victory when I rented it. I wish I would have been able to shoot it with a red dot, since I've gotten so used to them for my "serious" target shooting.

The SR22 is the equivalent of my Smith M&P 22 Compact. It's a good reliable gun, but doesn't really serve any purpose for me. It's only been to the range about 6 times.
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i have not looked at Smith 22's for a while so this Victory model suprised me......i actually thought the 22a series was still in production.

last Smith autos i owned were a model 422 and a model 2214.....and i sure do miss that little pocket model 2214.
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I believe they have stopped production on the 22A. The 41 is still being made but the sales are slow due to the price. I would love to have one but this new Victory gets the accuracy I am happy with for the price.
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Seabee, thank you for taking the time to follow up with a range report after you mentioned that you were making a range trip. If everyone would do so, would help keep things lively around here.

You did well with the Victory, as I suspected you would. I also very much prefer shooting the Victory with a red dot and the quick detach scope mount makes it easy to go back and forth between iron sights and a red dot. It's is a great feature. For those of you who don't know, the Victory comes with two rails. One has the built in rear sight and the other is a rail for a red dot or a scope. Changing the rail only requires the removal of one screw. You can switch back and forth between iron sights and a scope/red dot in seconds. I use a soft case for my Victory that has a side pocket where I can stow the second rail.


Have talked to a couple of shooters who own both the Victory and the 41 and they do claim that the Victory is as accurate. Mine is very accurate, for sure.

As for the SR22, you're right, it's no range gun. If I were shooting an LCP as a carry gun or such, I could see it being a good practice gun, though. If you carry a small semi-auto for a carry gun, sure is cheaper to practice with a 22 LR.
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Nice report RSB. Glad you got to the range & thanks for sharing with us.
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That's a great report RSb. I really am getting interested in that Victory pistol. I have a 41, but I think I would shoot that Victory more just because of the easily switched sights.
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Thanks folks, NCG should be a sales rep for some of these gun manufacturers. The versatility of changing the sights is a big plus. The one screw takedown is a big help.
There were Tandemkros barrels and grips available when the gun was released. But I haven't seen any reports that the barrels are any more accurate. And some say they are less. I am happy with the stock grips but there are some nicer looking ones.
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I like the feel of those grips, too. The gun balances very nicely in the hand with them. Nothing great for looks, but very functional. The Victory is an incredible value when you compare it to a 41 or even the new Ruger MK IV.

Seabee, as a gun trading addict, my advice would be to keep the SR22. Polymer/aluminum guns like the SR22 have a low potential trade-in value. Dealers make a decent profit on them because the mark up is good, meaning they can get them at their cost for a good price. A dealer will only give you some fraction of what they can get them for at cost. Might as well keep the gun and have fun with it.
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Another great report, NCG. I think I suggested before that you could write reviews for a gun magazine. Yours are definitely honest and entertaining. The Quinn's GunBlast reviews, and others, are always slanted toward keeping the gun maker happy, so they keep getting free guns......... I just look at theirs to get specs and photos.

I couldn't go a Victory because of the plastic grip frame, and the takedown screw is an issue for me. By what I read you nearly need an impact wrench to loosen it, and a foot long wrench to tighten it. I have to wonder what that does to the threads, and the odds of snapping the screw in half? Some posts on RFC claim that using a particular o-ring under the screw solves the issue, but I just don't know. May be that S&W will improve it in the future.
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Nice report Seabee. Any time you can send 120 rounds down range is a great time.
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Thanks, BC

The grip frame is actually stainless steel covered with a layer of black polymer. Yes, the take down bolt is gorilla tight from the factory, but haven't had issues with it coming loose while shooting. We'll see how it does, down the road. May just clean the bore, carefully, from the muzzle end and call it good. Do it all the time with our revolvers and never an issue.
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Another great report, NCG. I think I suggested before that you could write reviews for a gun magazine. Yours are definitely honest and entertaining. The Quinn's GunBlast reviews, and others, are always slanted toward keeping the gun maker happy, so they keep getting free guns......... I just look at theirs to get specs and photos.

I couldn't go a Victory because of the plastic grip frame, and the takedown screw is an issue for me. By what I read you nearly need an impact wrench to loosen it, and a foot long wrench to tighten it. I have to wonder what that does to the threads, and the odds of snapping the screw in half? Some posts on RFC claim that using a particular o-ring under the screw solves the issue, but I just don't know. May be that S&W will improve it in the future.
The grip frame is stainless! I don't know where all of the negative BS comes from on this gun. The takedown screw was no tighter than any other screw on any of my guns. It did require a dab of vibratite after my first range trip as it loosened during firing. But as for all of the other negative crap you hear I suspect it is from folks who don't own one and simply trash talk anything other than their beloved brand. As for the snobs at RFC I quit spending time over there.
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Well, I thought it was plastic, from the appearance. The only one I've seen was in a Big Box that didn't have a magnet handy (most stainless is at least slightly magnetic). Now, why did they coat it with plastic? Good reason or just for looks?

The only "negative BS" I've read on this gun is the "gorilla tight" takedown screw. Some folks do seem to have a legitimate gripe about it shooting loose even with a firm tightening. A screw meant to be removed at every cleaning should not require threadlock, to my opinion.
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Me, too, Seabee. Way too snobbish for my blood. For crying out loud, some of those guys expect a $350 Victory to be a Model 41 at well over a grand. Just nuts. Love my Ruger Marks for what they are and love the Victory for what it is, too.
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I bought a Mossberg MVP Predator when they first came out. It is a fair gun, but I like that it takes AR magazines. I spent a good bit of time on one of the websites until children fresh out of diapers talked to me like I never owned a gun. How can you be so snobbish and arrogant over a fair rifle that costs $500 and comes with plastic parts. I left the forum and never looked back. This is the only gun forum I go to. I like the respectful casual conversation.

I sold my last motorcycle and am off of them for good. I started a new hobby and soon I will share it with y'all. It's not guns. Maybe I shouldn't have said that.....
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Hey, Ridge, I have lots of hobbies other than guns. That's a good thing. Just to name a couple, I'm a hardcore bicyclist, especially mountain biking and a ride, every day, rain or snow. Also an avid amateur astronomer with a nice collection of telescopes.
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Hey, Ridge, I have lots of hobbies other than guns. That's a good thing. Just to name a couple, I'm a hardcore bicyclist, especially mountain biking and a ride, every day, rain or snow. Also an avid amateur astronomer with a nice collection of telescopes.
Nice interests. I cycled a lot years ago, but my last bike was a Raleigh aluminum frame road bike. My other hobbies don't require any exercise. I have a collection of old jazz and Big Band music, about 300 CDs, runs from about 1917 to 1950. Benny Goodman is my favorite.

From the movie "Sweet And Lowdown", 1944, The Benny Goodman Quartet. His small groups really showed his ability:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUx1n4GA0pQ

Louis Armstrong and The Hot Five, 1927, "Once In A While":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y-d1WN2IbM

Also have saved a bunch of old movies off Turner Classic channel, about 300 of those, too. All the movies that Goodman, Artie Shaw, and Glenn Miller did are part of it.

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Amazing, BC. Benny Goodman just happens to be one of my heroes, too. Love swing music from that era. While Benny was doing his thing, over on the other side of the pond in France, another hero of mine, Django Reinhardt, was doing his. I play both on the harmonica, by the way.
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Amazing, BC. Benny Goodman just happens to be one of my heroes, too. Love swing music from that era. While Benny was doing his thing, over on the other side of the pond in France, another hero of mine, Django Reinhardt, was doing his. I play both on the harmonica, by the way.
Django, and Stephane Grappelli's violin mixed well. I have about 6 CDs of Django, most with Grappelli. Have you listened to "Toots" Thielemans? Amazing harmonicist, just recently passed on in August. One of his later performances, with Quincy Jones in 2010:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA36Anlf1bw
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