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Old 12-21-2016, 03:11 PM   #1
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My new ugly 10mm

Okay, guys, you have to promise not to laugh at my new ugly camo gun. I didn't buy the gun for its looks and had to settle for camo because Sig only runs these hard to find P220 10mms in batches, one version at a time, and the current version is this Kryptek camo. It's called the P220 Hunter for obvious reasons.


Been researching on my options in a 10mm autoloader for some time, now, and settled on the Sig for a number of reasons.

First, it is one of the heaviest built 10s on the market. The P220 uses a heavier 20 plus pound recoil spring than 1911s in 10mm and was designed, specifically, to handle a steady diet of hot 10mm loads. A prototype went 10,000 rounds with only normal wear and tear. Makes racking the slide just doable for me, but I get it done. This is an all stainless gun under that camo coating. Weight is a full 40 ounces. 5" fully supported match barrel. It's no compact carry gun.

For another, I wanted a version with adjustable match sights and this Sig has them. The front sight is a combo fiber optic for day use and a tritium that glows for night use. Excellent sights.


I also wanted a single action, only, version for the sake of the trigger and the trigger on this particular Sig is the equal of my best 1911s. Also, controls are setup like a 1911, so that's another plus.

The grip on the P220 is more robust than a 1911's and that helps with recoil control for me. Recoil in this 10mm, though, is no worse than shooting a 1911 in 45 auto. Really isn't.

This will be mostly a range gun for me, so the limited 8+1 capacity is not a concern. I could still use it for a woods carry gun, of course, but if I traveled in dangerous bear country, a lot, I'd probably opt for the even uglier Glock G20 for its extra capacity and lighter weight.

So, okay, it's a camo range gun. Not a lot of range guns out there in camo. It is an accurate range gun, though, and that's what counts for a range gun. First time out, earlier in the week was not a great day for shooting. The temps were in the mid 20s, so not too bad, but we were shooting into a 25 mph headwind. Pretty miserable and called it quits when my fingers went too numb to load the mags.

Sight in


Got in my semi-auto rhythm groove and just kept pouring them in, there. Hard to explain why some guns get me in this groove, but this is one of them. Love this gun. Getting prettier all the time.


Will return with my ugly Sig and get to work at 50 yards when the weather warms up. Just have to be careful not to lay it down in the grass or I may lose it.

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Old 12-21-2016, 06:03 PM   #2
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Great looking gun . I love the 10MM round is my 1st choice . but only gun I can get to fit me in 10 mm is a 1911 . Even the Glock SF frame is too large for my hand . So the 40 slow & weak is my only choice in DA and Double stack guns .
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Old 12-21-2016, 06:13 PM   #3
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NCG, I got to disagree, I think it looks great. The target work is looking good also.

Is this your 1st 10mm & are you going to reload for it?

That stuff has got to be pricey.

Also, what brand/weight ammo was that?

Thanks for posting the report.
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Old 12-21-2016, 08:07 PM   #4
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Going to a double stack gun was also a concern for me as far as trigger reach. The Glock didn't work for me, either. The grip on the P220 is only slightly wider than a 1911 with thick panels and, being a single stack gun, reach to the trigger works for me. The P220 grip design also helps. One of the things I love about this trigger blade is that it is smooth, not grooved, like so many of my 1911s. I find those uncomfortable to shoot. Overall, love the ergonomics. I suspect this won't be my last P series Sig.

This is my second go round with the 10mm, so the cartridge is not a new one for me. Yes, ammo is pricey, but still cheaper to shoot than factory 44 mag by quite a bit, though still a little higher than 357 for the hotter stuff. Have a local outfit that reloads for $ 25 a box of 50. They're 180 grain target loads. Those were what you see at 26 yards. 16 yard target was shot with 200 grain PMC loads, also target loads, which run about the same. Sig also makes an excellent and somewhat hotter 10mm FMJ load for about $ 30 a box. Excellent stuff. The premium "nuclear" 10mm loads I don't need, but may get a box for bear defense work. Those run another $ 10 a box.

I may or may not reload. My biggest issue is finding the time to do so. At this point, reloading would cut into my shooting time and I'm not ready to do that. Have also heard that loading the 10m can be a bit tricky because of pressure spikes. My mainstay is still the much cheaper to shoot 45 auto in the 1911s. This gun will be an occasional shooter for long distance work, hopefully out to 100 yards, come spring. The flat trajectory of the 10mm makes it a great long distance semi auto. It's one of the reasons I love the cartridge.

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Old 12-22-2016, 06:51 AM   #5
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Not ugly, just "different". I don't want you to break your rule and have to keep this one outside the house.......

You mention this one could be a woods carry gun. Another recent post has you eyeing a .45 Blackhawk Bisley at the LGS, as a woods carry gun. You almost always consider a gun as a woods carry........Just how many woods carry guns do you have, and do you ever carry them all at once?..........

Just teasing. If some bad guy or bear ever does give you trouble out in them woods, he is really, really in for it!.........
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Old 12-22-2016, 07:30 AM   #6
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You're right, BC, about my woods carry gun theme. Makes a great way to justify a variety of guns. Easy to develop that thinking into a woods carry gun for the various seasons, too.

Here's one you'll like. Bill and I have been doing a fair amount of shooting in this cold weather, mostly for the sake of me testing new guns and most of those being semi-autos. One issue I've encountered is trying to reload magazines when my hands are really cold. Not fun! That's where going revolver for cold weather shooting has the advantage. Also less of a hassle with depressing buttons, safeties, releases with cold fingers. I find single action revolvers to be especially easy to operate in cold weather. Score one for the revolvers.
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Love it!! great shooting!
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:13 AM   #8
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You don't have to justify a variety by finding a way to make them all good for woods carry. Who do you have to justify them to? Just yourself or Bill. Although, I do think you could find reasoning for anything from a pocket .22 up to a Gatling being a good woods gun ....

In the cold, those cartridges can be like ice cubes, too. Easy to fumble with cold fingers. Still, a revolver gives less frostbite than a semi....

In cold weather especially, happiness is a warm gun.........
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I do not favor the 10mm, but that is one great looking gun. Good choice NCG!
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Glad that you are able to shoot this late into December. That gun ain't so ugly.....and being a sweet shooter makes up for being just a bit homely. I think a set of tan grips would pretty it up quite a bit.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:32 PM   #11
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You're right, BC, it's all mostly a mind game played by a gal that loves shooting just about any gun.

KL, the 10mm is really worth considering if you want that 357 mag power level. Kimber, in fact, makes some very nice 1911s in 10mm.

Seabee, just what I was thinking. May have to do some shopping for grips at some point.

Yes, the weather warmed up a couple days, ago, so couldn't pass up a chance to do some shooting, outdoors. Won't last, of course.

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Old 12-23-2016, 02:39 AM   #12
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That's an interesting handgun. I've never shot the 10mm. I'm trying to get past the camo pattern.
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:14 AM   #13
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You'll forget about the camo once you start shooting the gun, I promise you that. Seriously, though, this version is labeled the P220 10mm Hunter for obvious reasons. A lot of folks are now using 10s for deer and hogs, so this Hunter version with the sights, camo and SAO trigger is setup with that in mind.

Ballistically, the typical 10mm loads compare to a 357 mag, but I find the 10 more pleasant to shoot than the 357 mag for some reason. Now, the true full power 10mm loads get you up into 41 mag country. The Ten is a great long distance handgun cartridge and I bought it with that in mind. Hope to get out, soon and start work at 50 yards and eventually, 100 yards. May even add a red dot at some point.

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