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Old 05-28-2017, 06:23 PM   #1
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45 Long colt loads

Hello all,

Been looking all over for data for 275g hard cast, Keith style SWC bullets for the .45 Long colt. This single action revolver is a Stainless Ruger Blackhawk, built off of the smaller .357 Magnum Frame with a 4 3/4 barrel.

I'm not looking for super hot loads, but for some that are manageable yet will do the job as I occasionally go into bear country and in the past while hunting Mule deer have hunted and harvested with a six gun.

Thanks in advance,

Dan
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:05 AM   #2
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I have several manuals and nothing for 275 gr cast or jacketed. With the small frame you need to keep the pressure to standard levels so I would look at Unique or Power Pistol. Lyman Cast Bullets has a load for a 255 gr cast at 8.5 gr of Unique max. I would step the max down at least a half a grain, work up from 6.0 and watch for pressure. Good luck.
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When I carried my Vaqueros for hunting backup, and I still use in my Marlin, I used Buffalo Bore ammo. I'm not confident enough to trust my life to my handloads.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...ct_detail&p=38

Maybe checking out some of their specs will help.

PS: I don't shoot this stuff in my Colt clone,now that I have sold the Vaqueros, just my Marlin.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:42 AM   #4
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I checked Metallic Cartridge Reloading and they do have loads for 275 gr cast for standard 45 Colt. Took a pic for you. Looks like 7.5 gr of unique is max.
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Not trying to be a know-it-all and butt in, here, 44, but that 45 Colt +P Buffalo Bore stuff is ONLY for full size Blackhawk 45 Colt frames or TC Contenders. It is NOT safe in Dan's smaller 357 size mid-frame Blackhawk. That size Ruger has the same pressure restrictions as a Colt or Colt clone. BB does make some standard pressure heavy 45 Colt loads that would work, though. I use similar in my USFA Colt in 45 Colt.

Also, can personally attest to the fact that even in my full size 4 5/" Blackhawk, the 45 Colt +P is seriously nasty and painful to shoot.

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Old 05-29-2017, 11:59 AM   #6
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I agree with NCG

If you want a 454 casull buy one and try not to make one out of a 45 colt gun . If someone get one of those Hot Rod you loaded and put it in the wrong gun . .

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Not trying to be a know-it-all and butt in, here, 44, but that 45 Colt +P Buffalo Bore stuff is ONLY for full size Blackhawk 45 Colt frames or TC Contenders. It is NOT safe in Dan's smaller 357 size mid-frame Blackhawk. That size Ruger has the same pressure restrictions as a Colt or Colt clone. BB does make some standard pressure heavy 45 Colt loads that would work, though. I use similar in my USFA Colt in 45 Colt.

Also, can personally attest to the fact that even in my full size 4 5/" Blackhawk, the 45 Colt +P is seriously nasty and painful to shoot.
Very true, only meant the link as a reference! Here is their standard pressure.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...oduct_list&c=7
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Howdy!

Thanks for your replies. Turns out that this revolver was converted by E. R. Stroup. Every thing looks sound and well done.

Tx Gun runner,

Just to make myself clear, I never intended to shoot +P loads out of this revolver. I am quite content to shoot standard pressure loads out of this revolver. The .454 Casull is in the works, so no need to chase that one.

Even though I'm sure this can handle higher pressures than a Colt SAA, not going to go there...

I just couldn't find any data for those 275g bullets.

Thanks Terry! I'll use that data It a good place to start.

I had a Full size Blackhawk in a .45 LC about 17 years ago. I wish I didn't let that one go. This one actually fits me better. I have small fat hands and this one is more comfortable.

As far as Recoil goes, I'm a heavy recoil/Big bore Junkie. Love the biggest cartridges. I've fired lots of the big ones, .454 Casull, .475 and .500 Linebaugh and .480 Ruger. I used to shoot 300g hard cast out of my .44 Mag Super Blackhawk it only had a 4 5/8 barrel.

However, I understand being able to shoot accurately is most important and that bigger or heavier recoil, while fun at the range, isn't the best....

I'm confident that if necessary, these loads will do fine against a black bear and maybe a Muley if the opportunity arises.

thanks again,

Dan
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Well covered here.

One thing about Rugers. It would seem they should be stronger than Colts even in the same frame size but I would not count on it. Ruger frames and cylinders are investment cast while the older American guns were forged. I recall a test done by one on the gun mags years ago when the only .44 magnums were the S&W Mod 29 and the Ruger SBH. The massive unfluted Ruger cylinder seemed like it had to be stronger but when they stepped the loads up to find the strongest it was the Ruger cylinder that let go first. Hard to beat properly forged parts.

I did understand you do not mean to load hot but I am just mentioning that the Ruger may not be any stronger than a later Colt or well made clone. Guns that are designed for casting have extra meat at the stress points, look at a Ruger or Sig slide next to a 1911. This was why many of the cheap Colt 1911 clones in the 1980s(?) were prone to cracking as they cast parts that were designed to be forged.
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Dan, I've never shot a black bear and hope I never do, but I do know several locals that have hunted them and they report that it doesn't take a super magnum to bring them down. Some have even shot them with a 357. For me, I've settled on a good standard 45 Colt hunting load at around 1000 fps as enough. My USFA Colt handles them just fine, plus I can get off follow up shots with good speed and accuracy.

Now a griz? That's another animal, entirely. Probably opt for something with a bit more punch.
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I appreciate your replies.

Great Points Machinist!

Forged Parts are by far the best. I have owned a few Ruger Firearms and that has been one of my biggest gripes about them. However, Being Kid poor, I have to work with what I can afford that also is also functional for me to shoot. That's why I've bought this particular revolver. I was under no illusions as to the risks of +P loads, which is why I have no intention of pushing my luck.

I am planning on using the data that Terry posted. I still can't find published data available on the web for the 275g Hard cast that I am going to reload.

Unique seems to be a good powder, and I happen to have a pound on hand.

1000fps will be the top end, however I'll be expecting around 950. I guess we'll see when I run it across my chronograph.

Not planning on actually hunting bears at all. This is just a better option for a "Just in case" scenario than the .357 Mag that I carry with 180g Hard cast bullets.

There are Grizzlies further north from where I hunt, but If I go into that country, I'll be packing a much more powerful revolver. Planning on the .454 Casull this next year. I should have enough saved to get a Freedom Arms revolver by then.

Thanks again,

Dan
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Hey, Dan, good luck on that FA revolver. Hope you manage to get one. Would love to have one, myself, but have never even seen one in this neck of the woods.
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north country gal,

They are pretty common here. The Factory is about an hour drive away from where I live. It's mostly just saving the $$$ to get one.

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Old 12-06-2017, 07:35 AM   #14
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Hey Dan,
Just for a "quicky", don't know if you're familiar with the "Loadbooks" caliber specific loading manuals, they have all the loads from all the major manufacturers of bullets, powders, components, and mold manufacturers, they print a manual for the .45 LC, which I often use. Here's their website: www.Loadbooks.com
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 LC, and I swear that gun makes me look good, accuracy wise!
Cheers,
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The post below yours was Dano1's sixth and apparently last post, back in June.

Those Loadbooks sound useful for someone who only loads two or three calibers. Then you're not buying several books just to use a few pages in each.
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