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Old 10-18-2019, 07:40 PM   #1
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Reloading 44-40-Two threads merged

I found out something interesting tonite. For a long time I have been trying to reload the 44-40. Some would chamber, some would crush the brass. I got tired of destroying bras until I finally used a dial caliper. Found something interesting. I had a mix of star & Winchester used brass. The Winchester brass has a thicker wall in the neck then the star brass. The Winchester when loaded measured .003 bigger then the other brass. The wall of the Winchester is thicker and will not chamber after loading. Too thick of a wall. Can anyone tell me are there others out there like the Winchester or am I doing something wrong. Thanks for any help.
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Old 10-18-2019, 08:08 PM   #2
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Can anyone tell me information about reloading the 44-40. I found out the Winchester brass is way to thick at the neck for reloading with a .427 bullet. The star brass works great but the Winchester will not accept the .427 bullets due to the thickness of the case. The Winchester will not chamber. The thickness is .002 to .003 lager then other brass.
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First off welcome and FYI with new users their first few posts go into a moderation cue that requires approval. This significantly reduces the amount of spam posts we get. I merged your two threads on the 44-40.

To your question what sort of crimp are you putting on the bullets? With my loading there generally isn't a case thickness problem but a pregnant case because I don't get the bullet square with the case and if I seat and crimp at the same time viola. I had that issue with my Sig 45 ACP and plated 230 gr's. I suspect the Sig was at the tightest spec for chamber size. I bought separate seating and crimping dies and problem solved. I presume you are roll crimping? Are you snugging it tight?

Are you using in a rifle or a revolver?
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Thank you for the welcome.
I am using them on both a Rossi lever action & a Uberti revolver. Neither will chamber the Winchester rounds if I reload with the .427. I have found out like I said the Winchester brass is to thick to receive the .427 bullet. I was wondering of there might be a slightly smaller bullet. something say .002 or .003 smaller then the .427. I am new to reloading the 44-40 and any help would be appreciated.
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I would give these guys a call or e-mail. I suspect you won't get good accuracy with an undersized bullet and wouldn't surprise me if you get some nasty leading in the BBL. From their home page:

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If you need special sizing of a particular bullet, you must email us first. Click on Contact Us
http://missouribullet.com/index.php

Asked earlier about the crimp? Are you putting a decent roll crimp on the bullets and still a no go?
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Yes I putting a good crimp but the Winchester bullets due to the thickness of the case will not load in my Ubertir pistol or the Rossi rifle. The .427 will not chamber due to the .002-.003 size difference. The bullets need to be .002-.003 to chamber. I will check with the site you provided otherwise I am going to also check with a local gunsmith.


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Talking Reloading .44-40

I have been reloading for my .44-40 Navy Arms 1860 Henry for a few years. I have had no problem with them not working. It took me a few rounds to get the crimp right but have no problem using any .44-40 brass.

The only real problem I had was partially my fault and partially the guy I bought the empty brass from. I was at a gun show and bought a big bag of empty brass. I looked at a few and they seemed perfect. I went home and proceeded to reload them.Everything went smoothly but every now and then I noticed one of them took a little more effort to run through my Rockchucker. Got them all loaded and went out to shoot. I was running rounds through my gun having fun when all of a sudden one jammed. I dug it out and set it aside and shot some more, and had another jam. I looked over the two rounds and finally noticed that they were stamped .44 Magnum. I went though all my reloads and found 10 .44 magnum brass.

From now on I will check and double check.
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I understand .44 mag brass looks the same but is thicker then normal brass. The ones I have are marked 44-40 brass but are Winchester. When I reload them with .427 bullets they measure .430, unlike the Starline brass witch chambers fine and measures at the neck .428. I am positive the Winchester brass is thicker at the neck and will not accept the .427 bullet without increasing the neck size. I believe they should or were loaded with a .423 bullet.
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In reading the 44-40 section of the Hornaday Manual they stated they had difficulties loading bullets heavier than 200 gr as anything over that produced chambering problems. It caused the cannelure to bulge out too far to fit in the chamber of their Cimarron Model P.
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Thank you, I read that also, & I am loading 200 grain bullets with a .427 sizing. It is the thickness of the Winchester casing that causes the problem. Starline is thinner then the WInchester case walls.
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