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This is a discussion on Why Do People Constantly Complain About Glock's Grip Angle ?? within the Semi Auto Pistols forums, part of the Handgun Forum category; Originally Posted by Terry_P Did you beat him?? I never won any big IPSC matches. I shot in a lot of match all over Ca ...


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Old 12-20-2016, 12:04 PM   #21
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Did you beat him??
I never won any big IPSC matches. I shot in a lot of match all over Ca and Az and I won a few stages at the big matches . But I only won a few matches in S Calif . Rob shot about 5,000 rds a WEEK and got Springfield Armory to build all his match and practice guns FREE and supply all his ammo to shoot FREE . It is tuff to beat a man like that .I didn't have the money to compete at that time . He is the best in my book and will help any person that need it at a match too .
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Old 12-20-2016, 02:08 PM   #22
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i am also one of those that do not care for the grip angle or feel of a full or mid size glock or the way it points for me.........now whether it is the grip angle or perhaps that little swell near the bottom like an arched mainspring housing on a 1911 i just don't know.......and i am also one of those that prefers a flat housing on a 1911....

now is that the actual grip angle or that little swell near the bottom that mucks it up for me and changes the angle.....and maybe that is why that ROBAR grip alteration is popular with some folks.....it gets rid of that arch.....

strangely, i actually prefer the feel of the glock 26 and 27 models as they point more natural for me..and they have the same grip angle as the larger models but just less to hang on to......i think that it is because with the shorter grip it changes things with the hand.and the dynamics ever so tiny to something more favorable to me.....more grip would mean more contact with the hand and more leverage to alter things. But it is just a matter of preference for me.
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I have owned numerous guns from many manufacturers. I have shot all sorts of sizes, calibers, revolvers or pistols. The only guns I notice don't shoot well for me have front sights that have been too low for me.

Although it takes round to adapt, I never found "grip angle" to be of any significant importance. Adapting is the key element. When I handle a new gun, I use a laser bore sighted to determine how close the sights are to the bore. It's quite accurate for pistols, as most aren't sighted beyond 25 yards.

When I shoot a new "platform" I see where its point of impact is. I start as close as 5 yards seeing the type of hold is necessary. I prefer a 6:00 hold but sometimes, it's a combat sight picture where the front sight covers the intended point of impact.

I find the height of the front sight to be more revealing than a grip angle.

It is best to understand the capabilities and limitations of a gun gives based upon its components and the ammunition used. Get beyond mental barriers and objectively determine what works. Apart from the large grip which don't help people with little hands or short fingers, the Glock is really objectively not much different. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 allow for more people to handle one. So have the new Glock 42 and 43.


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My POA on my combat gun I like the target to sit on my ft sight on 25 yds or less and on target at over 25 yds out to 50 yds dead center hold



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I just do not care for Glock's for number of reasons.
With that said they are accurate and dependable.
I just attended their Armorer's Class. It was first rate.
I now have a lot more respect for them.
Buy and shoot what you like.
1911's for ever.
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I carried this 1911 everyday for over 20 yrs on my CCW. I keep getting [ 3 ] 9mm Glock in trade and before I would sell any used gun to anyone I would take them to the range and test fire them . I was super impressed with the gun and is the only double stack / double action that fit my small hands . I dislike 9mm so I ordered one in 40SW since it is the same frame as the 9mm . The 40SW with a 180 gr bullet matches 185 gr 45ACP . The pic below tells the rest of the story .

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The only problem I ever had with grip angle was with Beretta's 21A Bobcat. Most miserable gun I ever had, or ever tried to shoot. It is a .22LR pocket pistol, and was an adaptation of the earlier .22 Short Minx. The Bobcat was impossible to get to function better than maybe 90%.

I think the problems were largely because of keeping the grip angle the same. It seemed that if the magazine had tilted more forward, there would have been better feed and more clearance for ejection of the longer LR.

Oh, well. That's a different story. I just really liked that little gun, if it had worked well. I actually had four of them before I gave up.

So far as Glocks, I've never handled one. I don't want a plastic gun. Plastic may work well, but I view it as a less expensive substitute for the best material, steel. I don't even care for aluminum frames, for the same reason. Either may save a few, to me, insignificant ounces but $$$ are the main reason they're used. Make me a solid stainless Glock, and I may check it out.

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There is 5 different company's that make steel frames for a Glock . ROBAR in video is one of them and Robar frame has the 1911 grip angle . The steel frame adds 5 ozs to gun .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyhB8FLcWg

The second video show how to change your grip that some like much better .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7GuUmmRaHk

.Personal I like the Glock grip the way they Glock made it
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Speaking of 22 belly guns I bought a Sterling 22 LR in the early 80's and I think it cost around $50. It just had a groove on top, no sights but one thing I can say is it was reliable. It would function. It was dead on at a foot to a foot and a half but further out if you aimed at the head you made them into a soprano. I carried it in my front pocket, didn't have a clue what a CCL was then.
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Speaking of 22 belly guns I bought a Sterling 22 LR in the early 80's and I think it cost around $ 50. It just had a groove on top, no sights but one thing I can say is it was reliable. It would function. It was dead on at a foot to a foot and a half but further out if you aimed at the head you made them into a soprano. I carried it in my front pocket, didn't have a clue what a CCL was then.
I remember those! I had one for a short time as well. I think the folded their tent when the Saturday Night Specials were banned
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I had one of those in stainless way back when, too. IIRC they called the stainless Model 302. I bought used, with four mags and a holster for $75. It got traded toward something else.

It functioned about perfect, but accuracy was pretty bad.
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I remember they had a caution on the Sterling 22's not to use hollow points??????????
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I never heard that. I'm sure I shot whatever was cheap, as times were leaner than now. I don't remember having any feed problems.
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Here my 22 auto pocket gun . I got 10 of them and kept this one for myself . All 10 of them will take any ammo you feed it and in 40 years it has never had 1 hiccup .



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On the Sterling the pot metal mag release broke and I found another on Numerica and replaced it. I don't remember it ever jamming but then again there is a lot I don't remember, the bluing did turn a nice plum shade. If only I could find a gun buyback program that would give you a couple hundred in cash.
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I think North Country Gal is right when she mentions Glock haters (and it seems very trendy right now to hate Gocks, which is a mystery to me because they are such great pistols IMO) pulling a grip angle thing out of their asses to justify their picking on Glocks. Personally, they are some of my favorite guns, and I own many (and have owned many more during the years) guns of various brands, types, calibers, configurations, variants, and so on in my life. I admit that, when they first hit the scene, I thought "a plastic gun? Glocks must be pieces of junk". Then I tried a friend's Glock 30 compact .45ACP (which he was selling for $ 350 iirc). A box of white box Winchester 230gn rounds later, I put $ 300 cash in front of him and got myself a Glock 30 in my favorite handgun caliber, plus 4 Glock factory 10 round mags and a 13 round Glock 21 mag (another beauty of Gocks, any Gock will feed the mags of any Glock in the same caliber if the mag is as long or longer than it's grip).

That was a Generation 1 Glock. Then, when the (Generation 2?) Glocks came on the shelves, with the finger grooves and rails, I bought myself a brand new Glock 23 compact .40 caliber. That was my primary carry gun for a long time (and still is among my primary CCW guns (sometimes I use a kit and make it a .357 Sig for giggles), along with my Sig Saur P229 in .40 caliber, my Glock 30, Colt 1911 Commander, and, in coat/jacket weather, sometimes my Smith and Wesson Model 66 .357 Magnum snubby with Pachmayer grips and Sig Saur P220 .45ACP). My nightstand gun is usually a Glock 21 .45ACP (sometimes an H&K USP .45, full size). All Glocks that I own and have shot point just fine to me (and the fat grip model 21 fits my smallish hands just fine with either and both hands). If there is anything to nitpick on Glocks for, it's my opinion that, when you buy a new Glock, you should put better sights on it as soon as possible (my opinion). They are really good, well made, reliable, accurate, easy handling, easy to maintain, easy to find extra mags (and parts) for guns. They are great IMO, among my favorites. If Glocks are so "unwieldy", then why has the Navy S.E.A.Ls, British SAS (plus the whole British military I think) adopted the Glock 19 to replace their ageing Sig Saur P226s (also great firearms, even tho I don't care for the 9mm because I see it as a "maybe" round, as in maybe it'll do the job, maybe the aggressor will continue with his aggression). They are really good and do pretty much everything way more expensive guns will do at cheaper prices than, say, an H&K, Kimber, etc......

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It's not a Sig that's what the problem is,
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It's not a Sig that's what the problem is,
Haha, I really like Sig Saurs as well Terry_P. I own a P229 in .40 caliber (my 2nd favorite auto pistol round, after the .45ACP) and P220 .45ACP. They are both great and both among my favorite makers, along with Kimber, H&K, Walther, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Wilson Combat, etc...... Ya know, the quality stuff (U.S.A/European made in general). Sig Saurs are very fine guns and, like I said, my P229 .40 caliber loaded with 180gn Remington Golden Sabers, Federal Hydra Shoks, and El Dorado Star Fires is what I normally carry as my EDC in an Uncle Mike's IWB holster. My P229 seems to prefer those rounds in terms of accuracy (it's reliable with everything I've loaded it with, and combat accurate [ 5 rounds into a 4 inch group at 25 yards, tho I normally practice handguns starting at 15 feet and graduating to 50 feet] with everything I've loaded it with). I hear good things about the Hornady Critical Defense JHPs with the polymer tips. Have you ever tried those in any caliber?
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I know from what I read about Glocks, they are in general like other handguns. Some people like, some don't. For whatever reason, be it grip angle, balance, etc..

Being plastic is another point. Being a "dinosaur", I just prefer steel and wood. I've tolerated some aluminum frames, barely (I also prefer revolvers over pistols).

My background includes a lot of mechanical and some engineering knowledge. I know that no matter what properties any polymer has, it just does not match metal for the stress guns are subjected to. Besides the main benefit of saving weight, I view polymer frames as simply a cheaper to make, price cutting, profit enhancing design.
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I think North Country Gal is right when she mentions Glock haters (and it seems very trendy right now to hate Gocks, which is a mystery to me because they are such great pistols IMO) pulling a grip angle thing out of their asses to justify their picking on Glocks. Personally, they are some of my favorite guns, and I own many (and have owned many more during the years) guns of various brands, types, calibers, configurations, variants, and so on in my life. I admit that, when they first hit the scene, I thought "a plastic gun? Glocks must be pieces of junk". Then I tried a friend's Glock 30 compact .45ACP (which he was selling for $ 350 iirc). A box of white box Winchester 230gn rounds later, I put $ 300 cash in front of him and got myself a Glock 30 in my favorite handgun caliber, plus 4 Glock factory 10 round mags and a 13 round Glock 21 mag (another beauty of Gocks, any Gock will feed the mags of any Glock in the same caliber if the mag is as long or longer than it's grip).

That was a Generation 1 Glock. Then, when the (Generation 2?) Glocks came on the shelves, with the finger grooves and rails, I bought myself a brand new Glock 23 compact .40 caliber. That was my primary carry gun for a long time (and still is among my primary CCW guns (sometimes I use a kit and make it a .357 Sig for giggles), along with my Sig Saur P229 in .40 caliber, my Glock 30, Colt 1911 Commander, and, in coat/jacket weather, sometimes my Smith and Wesson Model 66 .357 Magnum snubby with Pachmayer grips and Sig Saur P220 .45ACP). My nightstand gun is usually a Glock 21 .45ACP (sometimes an H&K USP .45, full size). All Glocks that I own and have shot point just fine to me (and the fat grip model 21 fits my smallish hands just fine with either and both hands). If there is anything to nitpick on Glocks for, it's my opinion that, when you buy a new Glock, you should put better sights on it as soon as possible (my opinion). They are really good, well made, reliable, accurate, easy handling, easy to maintain, easy to find extra mags (and parts) for guns. They are great IMO, among my favorites. If Glocks are so "unwieldy", then why has the Navy S.E.A.Ls, British SAS (plus the whole British military I think) adopted the Glock 19 to replace their ageing Sig Saur P226s (also great firearms, even tho I don't care for the 9mm because I see it as a "maybe" round, as in maybe it'll do the job, maybe the aggressor will continue with his aggression). They are really good and do pretty much everything way more expensive guns will do at cheaper prices than, say, an H&K, Kimber, etc......
I have two gen 2s, 17 and 19, finger grooves started with gen 3, and love to shoot them both but have never carried them other than truck guns. My first EDC semi was a S&W 469 then jumped to a P226, compact Kimber and now a P320C which I dearly love. I do sli in a M&P 9 occasionally!

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