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Old 12-17-2016, 03:33 AM   #1
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Why Do People Constantly Complain About Glock's Grip Angle ??

I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.
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Old 12-17-2016, 04:22 AM   #2
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I think the German Luger had the proper grip angle.
You have to shoot one to know how it feels.
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I think the German Luger had the proper grip angle.
You have to shoot one to know how it feels.
The Luger grip angle is very similar to a Glock. As are the Ruger Mark pistols. And you rarely hear anyone complaining about either of them. In fact the Luger is constantly referred to as one of the most natural pointing pistols ever manufactured.
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I never shot or even held a Glock and have no desire to, so I don't complain at all. I don't own any firearms made of plastic.
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BILLT..... love your post ,....I know I've shot over a million rds in different types pistols and matches and I love the Glock grip and it was the only double stack , double action gun I could grip and shoot correctly . If grip angle is the only thing you can say bad about a gun , that is being picky . There is 5 generation of Glocks made since 1980 and 99% was all of the change was cosmetic and NOT one change to the grip angle . GEN 4 have different back straps and beaver tail to tune the grip to your liking . Glock has 5 different frame sizes . The 9mm/40 size frame fits me perfect . People with large hand the double stack 10mm/45 frame will work for them .

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I never shot or even held a Glock and have no desire to, so I don't complain at all. I don't own any firearms made of plastic.

I love the plastic gun ... Glocks are super lite , don't rust or wear out . The Glock guns are a dry gun and don't need oil or grease to make them work perfect because the plastic don't need oil for dirt to cling too . Do not over lube a Glock . The video is the correct way to lube a Glock ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9USnv_48Hc

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Old 12-17-2016, 06:59 AM   #6
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I'm a Glock fan. I tote a 30S. I do believe the full size 1911 is a bit more of a natural point-and-shoot for me, but I don't want to carry one. Draw, point, aim....work on muscle memory...with any pistol.
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Glocks just don't feel right in my hand and I don't see any reason to change my grip for one when most other pistols fit me just fine.
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Grip angle is largely a by-product of the needed magazine angle. You can't vary the grip angle by more than a few degrees either way and still fit the magazine in. I was very disappointed in the Beretta Bobcats that I've had. I think the magazine was partly to blame for the feed issues they have. A bit more vertical mag would have improved that, but would require a more vertical grip, too.

Another plus for revolvers, to me.
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I've probably shoot a wider variety of handguns - specialty pistols, revolvers of all types and a truckload of different autoloaders - than most people and grip angle has never been an issue for me, even as much as I love my 1911s. I just adapt, as needed, and shoot.

I think the grip angle thing is overblown. A good example is the difference between an all steel Ruger Mark and the polymer grip 22/45 version with its 1911 grip angle. The 22/45 has always been promoted as the logical choice for those of us who shoot 1911s, but that gun with its polymer frame and steel upper has always felt top heavy to me and nothing like a 1911 in the hands. The all steel Mark with its non-1911 grip angle actually feels closer to a 1911 to me.

I personally think the Glock thing is just another example of nitpicking Glock haters trying to justify thier hate of Glocks. Pretty desperate attempt to discredit a great gun and, yes, even old school me thinks the Glock is a great gun. Polymer is not my style, but if a poly gun would otherwise fit my needs, best, I wouldn't let the fact that it is polymer stop me from trying it. May just try one, yet, to see how I get along with it.
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I didn't like Glocks even before it was popular not to like them. I didn't even know why I didn't like them. People tell me its the grip but to be honest the entire pistol just doesn't feel right in my hands. I own a lot of poly pistols so that is not it.

Oh I know why. They don't make one in .22LR.
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I didn't like Glocks.....Oh I know why.

They don't make one in .22LR.
There are conversion kits for them. I'd bet TGR knows all about them.
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I've shot tons of different type of guns and matches . I never notice the grip angle between my 1911 I shot and carried for 20 yrs and my Glocks when I got it . . Now I did notice a slight different in my birdshead SA grip and my Glock . My groups I shot with all 3 guns are about same . I find trigger , ammo and sight picture is 10X more important that grip angle .
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Billt,

I have Beretta, Walther, Sig, Tauris, Colt (1911), Ruger (LCP), and Kahr autos . I am used to the grip angle and find they all point naturally for me. The Glock and the similarly angled Walther PPS and Luger, point high for me. I can certainly adjust and aim with the sights but that is not something I want to do with a pistol I might want to use fast in an emergency. I found I could adapt to the Glock or to every other auto I have and to the DA revolvers I love. If I was using a Glock as a service weapon and using little else I would make the adjustment but I see no reason given my situation.

I do not whine about the grip angle. If you read the many comments I have made about Glocks here and elsewhere you will see that I think Glocks are great guns and I wish I liked them. I have recommended them to others. I have no reason or desire to bad mouth Glocks. That being said I do not find them comfortable for me as the grip angle points differently than every gun I have used for 54 years, the shape of the grip is not comfortable for me, and I do not like the style of the trigger or the trigger pull. I am sorry if this offends you, Billt, but I use what I like. Your tone and terms do indeed sound like you want to start a flame war. Perhaps you could ask reasonably why people might not prefer your pet handgun instead of posting an insulting and strident rant. We are all friends here but you are abusing that a bit, in my opinion.

By all means shoot what you like but please grant me the same without saying I am being ridiculous. I think I know what is right for me after more than 55 years of shooting.

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If the chips are down then whatever points naturally for you is what you need. If you have to think about something other than stopping the threat then that firearm is not for you. Shoot what works and practice, practice.
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The idea of grip angle is not new. The military added the arched mainspring housing to the 1911 in 1923 because the original style pointed low for most people, though I still prefer the flat housing and switch mine. They were not whining about the angle because they wanted to badmouth the gun. They responded to a common problem for new soldiers.

As I have said before, I wish I was comfortable with Glocks because they are reliable, accurate guns and cost less than Sigs, but they don't fit me. In my book this makes them "wrong" for me. I know that shooters with vast and wide experience like NCG and TGR can handle the differences with aplomb, but I can't aspire to such expertise and I do notice the difference.
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In the 70's and 80's I shot in matches against Rob Leatham in Ca when he started shooting for Springfield Armory and he taught and help me a lot in the early day . Now you can watch his video and pickup good shooting habits . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23I
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If I didn't have my bad habits I might not have any at all.
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In the 70's and 80's I shot in matches against Rob Leatham in Ca when he started shooting for Springfield Armory and he taught and help me a lot in the early day . Now you can watch his video and pickup good shooting habits . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23I
Did you beat him??
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If I didn't have my bad habits I might not have any at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLRxohRdIys

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When they first came out, I generally did not like the feel of the Glock. Later I had the chance to get a 2nd gen 17 when my brother decided he wanted all 40 S&W. After a fair amount of shooting found I really liked shooting it. When I got a 19 from a co-worker I was hooked. Now I mainly shoot Glock clones, a Sig P320 and S&W M&P9, the M&P even is interchangeable with holsters.
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