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Old 03-11-2014, 03:16 AM   #1
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Due to the popularity of the Ruger 10/22, I will probably be banished from the forum for what I am about to say. I am not a big 10/22 fan and never have been. I finally broke down 3 years ago and bought one. I no longer have it. (My grandson still has his Charger though, and it is quite accurate.) It is very true that they are by far the most customizable .22 semi-auto ever. It is also very true that they are extremely reliable. I firmly believe that the rotary magazine is what really made the 10/22 and it is one of it's best features. It's also the feature that brings up my pet peeve. Call me old-fashioned, but I can't abide any semi-auto that doesn't lock back when the last round is fired. I know, I know... you should count your rounds and always know how many you have fired - and I do that. But I still like an action that locks open on the last round. I have 2 friends that have extremely accurate 10/22s. Both of them are highly customized, $2000.00 rifles. Mine shot 1.5-2.5" groups at 50 yards with a scope. Perfect for plinking or popping a running cottontail, but disappointing for anyone who demands accuracy.

Yesterday I bought a new Marlin Model 60 at Wally World for $167.00. Wonder of wonders - the action locks open when the magazine is empty. It is a pretty nice looking little carbine for the money. The sights are kind of crude and the trigger pull is horrible. I took it to the outdoor range and shot it a bunch. I shot about 250 rounds through it without a bobble. In spite of the crude open sights, terrible trigger and my aging eyes, this little rifle shoots better than my 10/22 did with a 3-9x scope and with cheap Federal bulk ammo. With some trigger work and a good peep sight, I think I may have found a .22 semi-auto that I'll keep.

Please don't be offended. I don't claim that the Marlin is better than a 10/22. It just suits my needs better.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:33 AM   #2
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The Marlin 60 is a super gun . When they quit working CLEAN it and they are good to go again . The 10-22 the mags and all the after market parts give it the edge over the model 60.
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Not offended in the least. You found what works for you. And at the price it is an outstanding value.
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Old 03-11-2014, 06:37 AM   #4
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If you are happy that is all that is important. That is my pet peeve also. At least Ruger knew people would be dry firing it once after every reload so it can be dry fired without damage. Funny thing is I always know my round count but more important know the sound and feel of the last round. Sometimes it fools me but I've done this with every firearm I have and you get to know when its empty. The only exception is a SA or DA revolver. They are hard to know if you don't count. But then again they always will at least have brass in the cylinder.
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I've owned and shot both the 1022 and the Marlin 60 and have always been pleasantly surprised at the accuracy I was getting with the Marlin. Can't say that for any stock 1022 I've owned, but can't say I was disappointed, either. I think the 1022 is exactly what it claims to be - a nice, lightweight, semi-auto carbine. You don't buy that kind of gun to shoot small groups. We still have our 1022 SD and Bill likes to shoot it, so we're keeping it. We don't shot it that much, anymore, because he goes though ammo with it like crazy. They ARE a fun gun to shoot, no doubt about it.
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:43 AM   #6
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You're right 303. You can usually tell when the gun is empty, just by the feel of it. I guess it is coincidence, but I got a "Dream Rifle" catalog from Brownell's today. A company called Custom Shooting Tech is making a last round hold open device for the 10/22. Unfortunately, you have to use a special magazine made by that same company. The bolt stop kit costs $65.95 and comes with one magazine. Extra magazines are $25.15 each. Well... there goes that argument.

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Old 03-15-2014, 05:34 PM   #7
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uh-huh, you can feel a 50 gr difference (one loaded rd) in the weight of a 5 lb rifle. OOHKKAYYY. make sure you follow the rule about where the gun's pointed when you pull that trigger to test your theory! I've got a news flash for you. that cheap wood will soak up or lose 50 grs worth of moisture now and then.
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He made no such claim. I think you will find that kind of BS does not go over well here.
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uh-huh, you can feel a 50 gr difference (one loaded rd) in the weight of a 5 lb rifle. OOHKKAYYY. make sure you follow the rule about where the gun's pointed when you pull that trigger to test your theory! I've got a news flash for you. that cheap wood will soak up or lose 50 grs worth of moisture now and then.
You don't understand what I was talking about do you? I'm not feeling the weight. I'm feeling the resistance of the bullet being chambered.
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I think our new mall ninja is just throwing up strawmen. I hope you are suitably awed and impressed.
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He made no such claim. I think you will find that kind of BS does not go over well here.
You know Machinist, I think that's the 1st. BS comment I have seen since I have been here He will go away.
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I hope so. Our previous mall ninjas did. I think he needs to find a prepper site where they don't know guns and will be impressed. I don't think it will be well received in this group.
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You know Machinist, I think that's the 1st. BS comment I have seen since I have been here He will go away.
You mean besides all of mine?
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:58 PM   #14
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uh-huh, you can feel a 50 gr difference (one loaded rd) in the weight of a 5 lb rifle. OOHKKAYYY. make sure you follow the rule about where the gun's pointed when you pull that trigger to test your theory! I've got a news flash for you. that cheap wood will soak up or lose 50 grs worth of moisture now and then.
Oh my - another self-appointed expert. I've met so many of them at the range that I've learned to let my eyes glaze over and think about what I'm going to reload next, etc. I choose to ignore this expert also.
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Oh my - another self-appointed expert. I've met so many of them at the range that I've learned to let my eyes glaze over and think about what I'm going to reload next, etc. I choose to ignore this expert also.
I find it odd that he was the only person that didn't understand what I was saying.
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I find it odd that he was the only person that didn't understand what I was saying.
Yup - me too. I often disagree with other folks opinions, but I definitely respect their right to express them. I do not, however, condone ridiculing them because their opinions differ from mine. I'm not an expert at shooting or reloading, but I'm old enough and experienced enough to be knowledgeable at both. I only ask that my opinions be respected also.
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