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Old 03-23-2014, 06:35 PM   #1
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Are there any everyone likes better than others. I'm betting on a pump of some kind for the noise the slide makes when you rack a shell in.
I have an old Wingmaster 870 I guess would work but my HD shot gun is a Mossburg 930 semi auto 9 rounds with 3 inch #4 buckshot. Someone brakes into my house the police will need a shop vac to pick up the pieces.
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:04 PM   #2
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I think I am a minority here but that noise is one reason I would not use one. The other is needing two hands. If I am facing an intruder who I deem a threat the last thing I want to tell him is
1.) Where I am.
2.) that I am not ready to fire.

I want his first indication I am armed to be a muzzle flash if the situation warrants it or possibly the laser just before the flash. If I am not to that point the gun stays stealth. If he sees a flashlight beam in his face I will not be behind that light but as far from the source as my arm allows. The light will not give him an aiming point or tell him where my gun is pointed. This is why I don't like lights on home defense guns. I also would not want to wake up and find someone holding my shotgun on me. This might be less likely for those with dogs but I don't have one. For the same reason I don't keep the gun on the night stand or in a drawer. It is under the pillow. I might have another in the room but it will be hidden.

I think most would disagree. I know shotguns are very popular for home defense. I have never fired one and gave away a Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 to a friend for home protection for his family and his parents home.
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I should add that in addition to never using a shotgun I have rarely used a rifle in the past 40 years. I have worked with handguns with emphasis on defensive use. I am not what I used to be but still have a lot of confidence in my ability to deal with an intruder or assailant, regardless of how he is armed. This colors my thinking, I expect.
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I shot a lot of combat type over the year . I've never seen a shotgun ever come close to win a match . I will stick with a handgun for defence . Hold more ammo , will out range the shotgun and can be shot faster and easier to carry around the house .
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:44 AM   #5
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I use a Judge loaded with 410 shells with three 38 caliber pelits in a slide beside my bed.
It has a laser mounted on the top that gives me an instant aim point.
The laser may be a return aim point for the intruder, but you can bet once I turn it on, the hammer is cocked and the trigger will be nudged into action even if I am hit in the process.
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The make up is an alunimum flat purchased from Lowes and attraced to a plastic holister.


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I don't have a balcony that I can shoot it off of.
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I use a Judge loaded with 410 shells with three 38 caliber pelits in a slide beside my bed.
It has a laser mounted on the top that gives me an instant aim point.
The laser may be a return aim point for the intruder, but you can bet once I turn it on, the hammer is cocked and the trigger will be nudged into action even if I am hit in the process.
Here are the pictures.
The make up is an alunimum flat purchased from Lowes and attraced to a plastic holister.

I like that setup. That would certainly work inside my teardrop.
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:00 AM   #8
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Kinda depends on the situation (threat) but a shotgun doesn't fit on my night stand.
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We keep an old 12 gauge Mossberg Riot gun, handy, but load it with slugs for possible bear problems, not as a home defense gun against two legged predators. Count me as another one who doesn't buy the idea that racking the slide is going to do much more than let an intruder know your position. I sure as heck wouldn't use it as a warning and/or try it and see if it scares an intruder off. That kind of hesitation could cost you your life. Moreover, despite what Joe Biden says, I don't think shotguns are all that great a choice for home defense. Make mine a 1911 with night sights, any day. That's what we use. Heck of a lot faster and more maneuverable in the tight confines of a house. Each to their own, though.

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I shot a lot of combat type over the year . I've never seen a shotgun ever come close to win a match . I will stick with a handgun for defence . Hold more ammo , will out range the shotgun and can be shot faster and easier to carry around the house .
I can see that if your wide awake when that intruder brakes in but for most people being woke up from a sound sleep I don't think my aim will be the best.
With a semi auto shotgun and 10 shot who cares about aiming.
Surprise will be in the intruder advantage I'm just not sure how accurate anyone would be waking up in the middle of the night.
A pistol sounds good when your awake.
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Mcgee, not trying to start an argument, here, but you don't get anywhere near enough spread of buckshot or birdshot at room distances to use the spray and pray approach to shooting. At 15 or 20 feet - the typical distance across a room - you might as well be shooting slugs for all the pattern dispersal you'll get. Take your shotgun out and shoot it at 15 feet. Might be a real eye opener for you. Don't fall for the who cares about aiming thing with a shotgun. You'll have to do a lot better than pointing in the general direction and pulling the trigger if you expect to hit anything at 15 or 20 feet with a shotgun. It's a potentially lethal mistake to think that using a shotgun at close quarters requires no skill or marksmanship. Please go out and practice that shotgun with those loads at close quarters if you plan to use it for home defense.

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I've had a lot of defence shotgun in my life and used them in a ton of combat type of matches for over 40 years , so I have tons of trigger time with them with these guns and a Remy 870 . Sleepy or drunk I will take a bottom feeder as my 1 st choice for home defence over a shotgun anyday .




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A shotgun is out of action when you are opening doors or if you are at close quarters while a handgun remains viable. I surprised my wife with how quickly I come out of sleep and I would hope I would not be shooting anything if I am not awake. If I check out a noise at night my gun is held low and close in one hand while the other is available to hold a light or fend off a surprise. A long gun is too easy to grab or deflect. Maybe outside it would be useful but then I prefer a pistol caliber lever action carbine.

Inside I will stay with a pistol. My Kahr has a laser and is DAO, ready to go in an instant. No one will see it if they enter the room before i wake and it is instantly available to me. I keep flashlights in the bedside drawer.

Completely agree with NCG.
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I've had a lot of defence shotgun in my life and used them in a ton of combat type of matches for over 40 years , so I have tons of trigger time with them with these guns and a Remy 870 . Sleepy or drunk I will take a bottom feeder as my 1 st choice for home defence over a shotgun anyday .



Now where have I seen that takedown before?
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Mcgee, not trying to start an argument, here, but you don't get anywhere near enough spread of buckshot or birdshot at room distances to use the spray and pray approach to shooting. At 15 or 20 feet - the typical distance across a room - you might as well be shooting slugs for all the pattern dispersal you'll get. Take your shotgun out and shoot it at 15 feet. Might be a real eye opener for you. Don't fall for the who cares about aiming thing with a shotgun. You'll have to do a lot better than pointing in the general direction and pulling the trigger if you expect to hit anything at 15 or 20 feet with a shotgun. It's a potentially lethal mistake to think that using a shotgun at close quarters requires no skill or marksmanship. Please go out and practice that shotgun with those loads at close quarters if you plan to use it for home defense.
Good point
I was thinking on how an intruder would get into my house there only way in would be from the lower level walk out basement. So I was thinking we would meet when they tryed to come up the stares 15 feet or so.
I may need to see the spread from my shotgun. Maybe just paranoid I live in a little tiny safe as town where there is little crime and fewer home invasions. On another post of mine I was asking on where you sell your unwanted guns well this Mossburg 930 is the gun I'm looking to part with. Thanks again
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I am ashamed to admit it but rather than stay inside where I was safe, I confronted a vagrant one morning at 4 am who had set up a night time stay on my porch. It was his second try at camping on my porch of which I had video to prove he blocked my door and made himself at home.
I found out later the he had peed on my shrubs which really ticked me off.
I am almost certain that the laser dancing in his face surely put the fear of god in him.
I shiver when I think how close I came to blowing his head off even though he was not armed, but I had no way to know that.
In our city there have been several home invasions that turned out bad for the residents within the last few months.
I really don't give a flip if I am awake or not if someone kicks the front door in, then that person is in trouble if I get my hand on that Judge.
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I am ashamed to admit it but rather than stay inside where I was safe, I confronted a vagrant one morning at 4 am who had set up a night time stay on my porch. It was his second try at camping on my porch of which I had video to prove he blocked my door and made himself at home.
I found out later the he had peed on my shrubs which really ticked me off.
I am almost certain that the laser dancing in his face surely put the fear of god in him.
I shiver when I think how close I came to blowing his head off even though he was not armed, but I had no way to know that.
In our city there have been several home invasions that turned out bad for the residents within the last few months.
I really don't give a flip if I am awake or not if someone kicks the front door in, then that person is in trouble if I get my hand on that Judge.
You and George Zimmerman and unarmed bad guys . George was lucky he killed his bad guy and so he couldn't sue him . Now you have a video of your bad guy to prove he was unarmed and trying to leave and no longer a threat to you and your family and that video will help him win his law suit against you big time .

If I get into a gun fight I hope the other guy has a shotgun against my Glock 40SW I know who will live in shoot another day .
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You and George Zimmerman and unarmed bad guys . George was lucky he killed his bad guy and so he couldn't sue him . Now you have a video of your bad guy to prove he was unarmed and trying to leave and no longer a threat to you and your family and that video will help him win his law suit against you big time .

If I get into a gun fight I hope the other guy has a shotgun against my Glock 40SW I know who will live in shoot another day .
First off TGR, I'm not a George Zimmerman type.
I did not go onto the street looking for the intruder.
Secondly, he blocked my front door with some very heavy benches and proped himself against the door to have a snooze or maybe lie in wait for a 72 year old to invite him in?
He chose to return after stealing my light bulbs on the first layover. His acts were noted in the police report along with his multiple attempts to look in the windows along with his effort to open the electronic lock on the door. Had he been successful with opening the front door, we may have never heard the entry and I may not be here to enjoy your response.
There is no video and there was no proof that he did not have a weapon, but he had balls!
One thing for sure, he has not been back for a third nights sleep, but he did place the light bulbs in the grass across the street.
I kinda wonder what you would have done had this happened to you or your neighbor.
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Mcgee, not trying to start an argument, here, but you don't get anywhere near enough spread of buckshot or birdshot at room distances to use the spray and pray approach to shooting. At 15 or 20 feet - the typical distance across a room - you might as well be shooting slugs for all the pattern dispersal you'll get. Take your shotgun out and shoot it at 15 feet. Might be a real eye opener for you. Don't fall for the who cares about aiming thing with a shotgun. You'll have to do a lot better than pointing in the general direction and pulling the trigger if you expect to hit anything at 15 or 20 feet with a shotgun. It's a potentially lethal mistake to think that using a shotgun at close quarters requires no skill or marksmanship. Please go out and practice that shotgun with those loads at close quarters if you plan to use it for home defense.
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I keep a Beretta 96 at my bed, which gives me 13 .40s at hand, but if I roll off the far side of the bed there is an 870 handy, hidden behind the headboard. As far as hearing it rack, they would have had to have been there the last time I cleaned it. That's when it gets reloaded, including one in the chamber. There are never any children around, and my Lab wakes me up at any strange noise.
What I don't understand is all these tactical shotguns, with the pistol grips, ghost sights or even scoped, with stuff hanging all over them. I figure that if I can hit a fast moving little Dove, or two erratic flying Quail within seconds, with just a bead on the front of the barrel, then what is the need to have all that stuff to hit a man from across the room.
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