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Old 02-17-2014, 11:23 AM   #41
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I just ordered 1000 at @ about $240.00
Not Cheap when you pay $9.99 for 50 and shipping.
I'm making my 38s for 18 cents each and that is with copper coated 125 grain bullets.
Cut that to 9 Cents when I cast my own lead bullets.
When read that book and you will find out jacket and copper coat bullets ruin the accuracy of cast bullets shooter . All my guns either shoot jacketed bullets or cast bullets not both . And at the end of day only a wet patch and then a dry one will clean all my cast bullet shooters once they are broke in if kept under 1000 fps .
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:26 AM   #42
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Well, here's another vote for a muzzle loader of some sort. The options for projectiles, powder and even ignition are endless. A flintlock gets you the ultimate in simple, but even with a modern muzzle loader, you can go so many ways as to ignition with various primers of all types. Just a matter of the right adapter and breech plug setup. As to projectiles, with the right sabot, you can use just about any handgun bullet you might find at the reloading bench and if you run out of those, you can always pour your own.

I have been planning to do a LOT of muzzleloading, this next year, mostly as a way to hedge against future ammo shortages, but also because I just plain enjoy it. Been mostly a traditional shooter, in the past and will be adding some of these to the collection, too, but this year I will also be branching out into modern MLs. Both have their place.

My two Encore 209x50s. There is NOTHING primitive about these guns as to their accuracy or effective range, believe me. More, later.

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I have a good supply of 22LR, Averaged about $.04 a round. The last were $24 + tx a brick so $.052 ea

No primers or store bought powder to buy.

Make my own roundballs for the flinter and have a lot of plumbers lead, Live on top of a huge chunk of TX chert and can even shoot em using broken to shape files if need be. Oh and I have the receipe for BP if I run out of my cache. Would prefer willow charcoal but bet mesquite will do in a pinch.
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This was use for big game hunting for years in Africa with mine ball and round ball work good in these guns too . You can stuff over 170 gr of FF behind a 505 gr bullet and drive it over 1340 fps in a 28" barrel giving you over 2000 ft / lbs . Which will knock any bear down in north America .



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That's impressive, TX, and, of course, once you get into bullets that size, there's more to the story than just foot pounds of energy. In my Encore, I'll be using only moderate loads for range work, but even then, will be be pushing a 250 grain 44 or 45 cal bullet in the neighborhood of 2000 fps plus and generating 2200 foot pounds of energy. That easily surpasses the 30-30. Max loads get you into elk and bear level energies in a hurry. On the other hand, load it down and you can take small game. That's one of the most attractive things about MLs - you can load them on the go for the job at hand.
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I have a good supply of 22LR, Averaged about $.04 a round. The last were $24 + tx a brick so $.052 ea

No primers or store bought powder to buy.

Make my own roundballs for the flinter and have a lot of plumbers lead, Live on top of a huge chunk of TX chert and can even shoot em using broken to shape files if need be. Oh and I have the receipe for BP if I run out of my cache. Would prefer willow charcoal but bet mesquite will do in a pinch.
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I will never run out of BP in my life time . And I must have 300 lbs of sheet lead . and a ton of molds 4 sale and flints . This removes the sprues and makes the perfectly round balls I will sell .







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Tex what is the lightest minie ball you have a mold for?
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if it has to be a pistol, I vote for the keltec Pf9 pocket 9mm and the Twisted Industries .22lr conversion unit for same. If it can be a longarm, give me the M4, with a .22lr conversion unit (30 rd box mag). There's zero reason to be stuck with just a centerfire or just a rimfire, when you can have both for another $200, guys. The kt weighs just 15 ozs, and with the aluminum slide of the .22 unit in place, it weighs 2 ozs less. .22 units can be mailed to you, as they are not guns according to the law.

Realistically, why would you need to survive, if everyone else is not in the same boat? If they are trying to survive, you don't want any sort of non rapidfire, noisy sort of gun. "corning' black powder, so that it burns properly in a gun, is very dangerous. Dupont and Pyrodex have both blown up plants doing it, killing people. There's no bison herds anymore, so the muzzleloader is nothing like as useful as it was 200 years ago. Also, bison are stupid and you can just walk up to them, go to the bipod at 100 yds and brain one with the 223.

300 lbs aint much lead. It will only cast about 9000 200 gr bullets, if you melt all the sprues. That's not much shooting. I go thru that every year with my rifle, and twice as much more with my pistol.

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I like my AR15 and my 1911. Gunn
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when everyone else has an autorifle (and they will, if shtf, since there's 20 million of them, counting .22's) then the pistol won't amount to a hoot. the pistol is for when you still need to be discrete, things aren't quite to the "openly carrry longarms' stage yet.
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when it's for real, the lack of hearing protection hurts pistol skills a lot worse than it does rifle skills, and many are quite skilled with the 22 autoloader,or they have buckshot in their pump or auto shotgun. Your pistol will belong to them, in short order.

The AR will take down into 2 "halves" for ccw in a backpack, in 5 seconds, re-assemble to fire in 10 seconds. That's one reason why I favor it, but there's dozens more.
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I agree with Machinist except for the .357 magnum revolver. I go with a good .22 rifle. .22 hand gun and a small .22 to hide for self defense. My days have passed for moving far and fast but I'd go for it. My .02 cents worth.
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I believe the Duke once said that as well 1shot. Can't remember the movie but he was in a shoot out and was instructing a woman on his side. That said, many a natives still harvest moose with a 22mag. So for food that's all you'd ever need. I got a departed great uncle that told me his family made it thru the depression in part by shootin whitetails with a 22lr. He said 40 grains to the back of the heads no different than a 2 lb ballpean hammer between the eyes. But if defense against 2 legged invaders was an issue I'd opt for an ar in 5.56. Suitable for the job and probably find ammo laying on the ground at that point.
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wow I just noticed that was an old thread. Still an interesting topic
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in case you're keeping score at home the movie was the undefeated with John Wayne who said "windage and elevation mrs Langdonn, windage and elevation"
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That would be an easy one for me. Make mine an Encore pistol with some extra barrels. I know Encores and how to shoot them. As a result, my Encore pistol barrels typically outshoot my bolt guns when chambered for the same cartridge and a pistol with a couple extra barrels would cover all my food getting needs. Okay, not the best choice for a shootout, up close, but if we're talking wilderness survival, I'd have complete confidence in the Encore. It is simple, rugged, durable and oh so accurate. It never jams or fails to extract or feed. Can also be chambered for cartridges that are too much for traditional lever guns or revolvers.

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A good 22 rimfire would be good but I like range, a 270 Winchester coupled with a good 357 magnum revolver or if you like semi autos you could go with a Glock 20 in a 10mm or a Glock 21 in a 45 acp. THere isn't much on the Western hemisphere that I would be worried about with that combo. A 30-06 or 308 would work to.
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This is easy for me, if I can only have 1, it's the Ruger SR22p.
It is light, accurate enough for self-defense & hunting & it's very reliable. I can grab it & 2 bricks of ammo & easily take care of my needs
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The original poster did not limit it to one.

"Ultimate Survival Gun (Pistol and/or Rifle)" Note "and/or"

While I think a .22 is great for survival being easy to pack and quiet, and has defensive capability at modest range, I want a centerfire pistol or revolver for personal protection. When law and order break down such as after a natural disaster or when Democrats are in charge, I want something with more stopping power than a .22 and for defensive use I prefer a handgun. A medium frame S&W revolver in .357 Magnum is concealable, easy to carry all day, and yet offers service pistol accuracy and stopping power. It also take reasonably portable ammo and has a wide range of suitable ammo from low end .38 Specials and shot loads to heavy .357 Magnums.

Survival to me does not mean a battle rifle, though it can serve. Generally I think the main use for a survival gun will be killing food, preferably without attracting too much attention, pest control, defense of what you have (preferably by deterrence in the case of people) and personal defense against other humans, armed or not. The last is the only thing I see calling for much stopping power. A centerfire rifle is heavier, harder to pack around, harder to feed, and much louder. I don't imagine I would often need it's power for getting food. In a static situation where I did not have to move around or would have someone to watch it when I was hunting or foraging it would be nice to have but I would want to carry a good .22 rifle, either LR or Magnum, with a defensive handgun for trouble that was close.
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If I lived where there were bears and other large critters and large open spaces I might be more open to a centerfire rifle for main carry.

I don't see much realistic need for open battle against armed gangs. It is mostly a no-win situation. I would want to avoid such people and not attract attention. If I need to discourage people from following, approaching, or chasing a good .22 rifle would do that and without revealing my position as much as a more powerful rifle would.

Of course there are many variables that effect ones choices.
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