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Old 07-14-2014, 10:06 AM   #101
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:20 AM   #102
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There are actually mall ninja forums. They don't call themselves that of course but they are rather funny to read. They all try to outdo each other with these kind of posts but at the same time they don't call each other liars because that would break the spell, so the stories just grow and morph as they embellish their woppers and try to impress each other. It is quite a circle jerk but it is hard to shine so some come onto other forums hoping to find gullible people who they can impress. The problem is that they don't realize how dependent they are on the mutual "don't call out my lies" protocols so they come on forums like this and can't understand why we are not awed into fear of calling him on his BS. They don't realize how silly they sound or how many of their claims we have heard from others. Naturally the more impressive sounding lines get picked up by others and they all sound the same.

They buy the Kel-tec because it is cheap but they claim that a less expensive gun allows them to buy the ammo they need to develope their incredible skill. The 9mm is fine because only lightning speed and multiple hits can stop the berserkers they deal with and they can put 5 or six rounds in the heart or brain in a half a second so they have the true path. Some drop names like the one that claimed he showed Jeff Cooper how to combat shoot. I guess he was Jeff's mentor or something. We will probably hear what expert our new mall ninja set straight or outshot in due time.
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:29 AM   #103
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Most don't actually claim to have shot terrorists but their hawkeyed powers of observation and steely gaze let them see potential trouble and the bad guys just knew from the look that making trouble would mean certain death so they left quietly. They talk alot about the bad guys they spotted and how the sheep never even knew the danger that walked in their midst.

Of course they talk about the sophisticated equipment they have to deal death when the time comes. Constant vigilance and readiness are needed, the American public depends on them to keep their shopping experience safe.

We have actually had one's here that claimed they could subdue dangerous men with their steely gaze this way. The bad guys could sense that they could deal death in an instant and they moved on. You can imagine them scowling at people on the street and stroking their ego when those people walk on. Another dangerous incounter stopped by "the look"!
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Oddly, I reported one of his posts from this thread to have the admins keep an eye on our latest ninja. And it is now gone. Also post 90 has been changed, the *** was in my opinion a pretty good description of himself.
I am going to go start the popcorn this show may get interesting.
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:55 AM   #105
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Mac u should b writin fiction books...u missed yer calling!
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Great points, Mac. Yeah, if you've been around forums for awhile, you begin to spot the red flags that tell you that you've got one of these hanging around.

In nearly every case, if you challenge them to show you the guns and/or targets they actually shoot, you get no response. The silence is deafening because the only shooting they actually do is shooting though various forums, regurgitating snippets of what they steal from folks that actually do shoot. Some folks call them mall ninjas, some call them 'posers, some call them trolls, some simply call them the phonies they actually are.

They tend to be nasty, rude bullies in order to muscle their way into discussions because they cant back up their claims with actual shooting experience. They're just an unfortunate fact of life on any forum. They tend to make the rounds on various forums, moving from one to the next as they're called out and banned, often returning under a new name. You'll also notice that they tend not to give any specifics as to personal information, typically just giving USA as a location and so on because in their world, there is an enemy lurking behind every bush and armageddon is ever imminent.

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Old 07-14-2014, 11:02 AM   #107
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There are actually mall ninja forums. They don't call themselves that of course but they are rather funny to read. They all try to outdo each other with these kind of posts but at the same time they don't call each other liars because that would break the spell, so the stories just grow and morph as they embellish their woppers and try to impress each other. It is quite a circle jerk but it is hard to shine so some come onto other forums hoping to find gullible people who they can impress. The problem is that they don't realize how dependent they are on the mutual "don't call out my lies" protocols so they come on forums like this and can't understand why we are not awed into fear of calling him on his BS. They don't realize how silly they sound or how many of their claims we have heard from others. Naturally the more impressive sounding lines get picked up by others and they all sound the same.

They buy the Kel-tec because it is cheap but they claim that a less expensive gun allows them to buy the ammo they need to develope their incredible skill. The 9mm is fine because only lightning speed and multiple hits can stop the berserkers they deal with and they can put 5 or six rounds in the heart or brain in a half a second so they have the true path. Some drop names like the one that claimed he showed Jeff Cooper how to combat shoot. I guess he was Jeff's mentor or something. We will probably hear what expert our new mall ninja set straight or outshot in due time.
That sounds like our jokes.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:17 PM   #108
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slowfire groups don't mean a thing. How many of you even HAVE a timer, or have a CLUE what really fast hitting is like? Do you even know what a Bill Drill IS, for instance? Do you know what a top time for that drill is, given realistic concealment and a powerful load? I rode with Bill Wilson to the first IPSC Nat'l Champs, in Golden Colorado, 1977. where were you? We shot in a little man made basin, right across a canyon from the Coors Plant

Bill and I wanted to get in a bit of practice, but the match range was closed to shooting. Bill had heard of a little hole in the woods range, and got directions there. When we arrived there, Chuck taylor and his SOF crowd were there. Chuck was trying to get a Mac10 to fire lrn .45 reloads, but it was mostly failing to feed. He was shooting from the hip point, and coming fairly close (most of the time) to a 3 ft square window frame, at maybe 30 yds, (tops) Bill and I were wearing earmuffs, shooting our 1911's, about 50 ft to the side of the camoed crowd. People have a tendency to speak a bit loud when wearing muffs. Chuck and his boys were using a silencer on the smg, so they had no ear protection. Noticing all the malfunctions, I said to Bill:"I'd rather have a pistol that works than a submachinegun that don't". Bill said, "shush", -----, they HEARD you!". I looked up and the merc wannabes are all giving me the evil eye. But basically, they were unarmed, so I didn't sweat it much.

I went to one of Bill's bigger matches, in 1978. He lived in a really beautiful part of Ark. There I first met Harry Claflin, who turned me on to the shorty AR, 223 softpoints, and the .22lr conversion unit. A year later, I was introduced to the tremendous advantages of having a silencer.

btw, Jeff was never all that fast, either on the draw or for repeat hits. He had real accuracy, tho, especially from rollover prone.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:21 PM   #109
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In the infamous words of Dan Issel...."who cares?"
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It's back and full of it.
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Old 07-19-2014, 03:08 AM   #111
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Dude, that was over two years ago!
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Wow... Another one. I don't have time for this crap. Ignore list to the rescue!!!!!!
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:31 AM   #113
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given a .Ciener .22lr conversion, AR15 223 is best

Especially with a short barrel and a silencer. There is no reason to limit yourself to just a centerfire, just a rimfire, just a single shot, or just a bolt action, or just a shotgun. You don't want noise. It calls in enemies and scares off the game

It doesn't take a gang to kill you, you know. One guy, with just a .22, can manage it fairly easily, if you are not giving him a hard time, from 200 yds away, with a silenced auto.

Pistol caliber carbines have nothing like the "reach" of the 223. A scoped, shorty AR will snipe effectively to 1/4 mile, 2x as far as is feasilble with a 357 or .44 lever action. 223 softpoints will pierce soft, concealable body armor, the pistol calibers will not do this.


Why lug around large birdshot or squib rds when you can just use the .22lr conversion unit, eh? why bother loading such specialized ammo, why bother with a tubular mag? Every tried firing a lever action while you are prone, being shot-at in the dark, the rain, the mud, the snow, with gloves on, or with cold-numbed fingers? Try reloading a tubular mag under those conditions, too. You will LOVE it.
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yeah, definitely RUN AND HIDE from reality. Stick to your fantasy world, where nobody ever tries to kill or rape anybody else, and where slowfire plinker bs is "all you need". Don't stick your head out where speed of draw and hitting matter any, cause you can't handle it, and you're too lazy and cheap to build that sort of ability.
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yeah, definitely RUN AND HIDE from reality. Stick to your fantasy world, where nobody ever tries to kill or rape anybody else, and where slowfire plinker bs is "all you need". Don't stick your head out where speed of draw and hitting matter any, cause you can't handle it, and you're too lazy and cheap to build that sort of ability.
Keep them coming... I need a laugh throughout the day.
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registrar, swon and now catcha. What name will he use, next? Oh, yeah, he's been here, before. Just a matter of time before he's kicked off, again.

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Keep them coming... I need a laugh throughout the day.
Guess he didn't read were the jokes go. It is so obvious this boy has had no real experience in the real world himself.
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If any of you ever really HAD much in the way of ability, you'd know that you don't need to practice much to be better than you guys are (at the sort of stuff that matters). It's rather like Micheal Phelps vs you swimming. He can beat you when he's got a broken arm.

I know it's a shock to you, but when you don't waste lots of money on silly stuff like lever actions, bolt actions, shotguns and and single shots, you can buy many keltec pocket 9's. Then you can just do what Jerry Miculek did for years with Smith revolvers. Practice with one, compete with another, and have one at the factory being re-built. Keltec's got excellent customer service, you know.
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what the top guys have to practice the most is very, very impractical stuff. Like standing there, fully exposed, for many seconds, while they fire 2 shots each at many enemies, at 25+ yds. That's stupid on the face of it. You go prone or dive for cover, and you fire one shot per guy (if they are all still exposed). Most likely they won't be, tho, so you fire at one guy until you hit him, while using cover, rolling in prone now and then, to try to protect yourself from the fire of the others. Basically, tho, the thing to do is move across their front, crouching as you do, giving prone, etc, until you can get to cover, or at least, get out of the likely effective range of handguns in the hands of the untrained. If they have rilfes or shotguns, and all you have is a pistol, it's very unlikely that any amount of skill is going to save you.
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