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Old 03-04-2018, 12:06 PM   #1
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The Next Shortage of Everything....

is just around the corner?

We can all stock up on food, water, basic day to day living needs....
firearm supplies....

However, there are other products like medications that we can only get so much of at a time, then we need another script from the docs.
Plus, in a worse case scenario some medications need to be refrigerated.....

Is dry ice an option for those that need to keep products cold?

I don't know that much about dry ice, except I've used it to make fog.
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Old 03-04-2018, 12:13 PM   #2
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So much for dry ice working....

"Dry ice stored in a cooler will last for 18-24 hours."

Geez......

"You should also keep in mind that when you put dry ice in an unvented cooler, if airtight, may expand and in some cases, explode."
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Old 03-04-2018, 01:32 PM   #3
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Up here, if anything needs refrigeration, we can just leave it outside for nine months of the year.
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I think in any SHTF situation, it's going to be way harder to find dry ice than regular ice. I don't even now where to get dry ice now.
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I don't know how long dry ice will last. I bought a Yeti cooler last year and was going to bring frozen venison to FL as we are here for 5 months but I passed. The more I think about it the more I think I will do it next year. Put a couple 10 lb blocks in the bottom fill with meat, cover with towels to completely fill, seal and don't reopen until Florida 4 days later. Regular ice will last 3 days so suspect we will be fine. If it thaws a little no big deal as I can refreeze down here.

Sorry for the off topic just jogged my memory. I am stocked up on reloading components so other than t-paper I'm good. I have a whole house standby generator so I just need to keep the propane coming. If for some extraordinary reason I need to abandon the home front then we still have the Lance pick up camper to head for the outback in.
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Well, since we're going off topic a bit, in the event of a long term shutdown of services, we also have a stand-by generator that works on propane. We've found a propane setup is easier to start in the serious cold weather we get. Just about everyone in our area has a backup generator setup, since our area is heavily forested and any kind of wind brings down a lot of trees. We average two or three outages a year.

As for food, what we have in our lake for fish would keep us fed for a long, long time. Plenty of deer, right in the yard, too.
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"Dry ice stored in a cooler will last for 18-24 hours."
I would think it lasts longer than that. Some online places sell food, that is shipped with dry ice. How often have you received a package in 18-24 hours?

I used to work in an engine shop. You need dry ice to assemble certain things, like you heat a ring gear, dry ice the flywheel, and fit them together. Once back to room temperature they are joined tighter than Scrooge.

Dry ice is around a hundred below zero. Some things, you have to be careful that it does not get them too cold and possibly ruin them. Would some medicines be in that worry?

We would sometimes take a block of dry ice and chip shallow holes in it. Then fill the holes with engine oil, antifeeze, whatever. You could fling your new marbles at the wall and they would shatter like glass.
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So far as being prepared for shortages, we're not too bad off. A third of the basement was roughed together wood shelves, and we have filled those with canned goods, paper products, toiletries, etc..

Chest freezer filled with some of everything. I think it would hold cold enough for a week or so with care.

No water stocked, but at least some fruit juices and stuff. Canned soup and stew is about half water, don't forget. We could do a lot better there.

Two fireplaces with propane logs connected to a large tank (I think 200lb?) outside for heat and cooking. although they eat up so much air you have to open the damper and a window to breathe.

No sleeping bags, but enough comforters and blankets to make at least a foot thick layer.

Guns and ammo, mostly .22 but lots of it. 2K of .38.
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At one time I had three chest coolers that would either keep the contents cool or hot, depending on how you plugged it into the 12 volt source. I finally decided that if I out lived a SHTF episode, my problem would be just what you brought up: Medicine.
And as for ammo, without a group for support, you are a goner when you go to sleep, and you have to sleep.
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At one time I had three chest coolers that would either keep the contents cool or hot, depending on how you plugged it into the 12 volt source. I finally decided that if I out lived a SHTF episode, my problem would be just what you brought up: Medicine.
And as for ammo, without a group for support, you are a goner when you go to sleep, and you have to sleep.
I guess you'd find out who really loved ya or not
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Interesting guidelines on survival without the basics. You can live :

Maybe, one day in extreme heat or cold.

Two days without water.

A week without food.


Some self-observed limits:

Teenagers can't live two hours without their phone.

Average person can't live one day without TV.

Women can't live six days without shopping.

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I agree with the the rest of you. It's going to be brutal. I think a group would be your best bet.
Although tensions will boil over. I figure it would be best to get your immediate family together and hope for the best. The bigger the group the better.
I'm going to have to stick with neighbors, family is spread all over the country!
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I'm going to have to stick with neighbors, family is spread all over the country!
Well if that is the case I'm done for as all of my neighbors are on the left and even have meetings to plan strategy.
They are not country folks by any means. That being said, they look forward and never wave when passing. I found out that my wife's name and mine along with my shooting buddy's name is on the list that passed around the neighborhood.
And then there is no reason to go back to the old farming neighborhood as it has been taken over by similar people.
I keep the Thompson and 20+ 38 super mags loaded and ready.
@ 76+ I guess there is only one solution. Go figure!
One other note: I shoot weekly. I maintain a good eye and regurally hit a stationary 6" target @ 50 feet with one magazine (9 roulds) in five seconds. I use a green laser grip in my 1911's. Occasionaly I do miss, but I shoot fast. 7 mags do not last long.
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My brother faces that in north Seattle, lived in the same house for 50 years and watched the climate change, don't think he has a firearm that he doesn't have a minimum of a 1000 rounds for, I know he has 3 to 5K for his AK47. The local fire department has him on record! They got a little exciter when he had a kitchen fire. My little slice of heaven is 65 miles from Seattle by road and 30 from Tacoma but, I'm just 30 miles south of Keyport which I'm told is the largest supply of nuclear arms stored for the Navy, a definite war time target!
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Heres a short video giving a hurricane survivors insight about just how fast situations can go to hell.
Watch at about 1 minute into the video.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurrica...s-to-normalcy/
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Well if that is the case I'm done for as all of my neighbors are on the left and even have meetings to plan strategy.
They are not country folks by any means. That being said, they look forward and never wave when passing. I found out that my wife's name and mine along with my shooting buddy's name is on the list that passed around the neighborhood.
And then there is no reason to go back to the old farming neighborhood as it has been taken over by similar people.
I keep the Thompson and 20+ 38 super mags loaded and ready.
@ 76+ I guess there is only one solution. Go figure!
One other note: I shoot weekly. I maintain a good eye and regurally hit a stationary 6" target @ 50 feet with one magazine (9 roulds) in five seconds. I use a green laser grip in my 1911's. Occasionaly I do miss, but I shoot fast. 7 mags do not last long.
Sounds like you and your buddy have the problem solved, they have the food and you have the guns!
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Sounds like you and your buddy have the problem solved, they have the food and you have the guns!
@ 44's rock: Oh I have the 25 years stuf stored in the basement where it stays cool.
I just need two young guys to help with the front lines while I nap.
I did just buy an additional 10 mags for the Thompson.
Oh! By the way, I found an excellent AR upper on line for $249.00 shipped including the bolt and charging handle.
Then found a complete lower for $126.00 shipped.
The upper arrived and it is exactly what I expected. Great! Complete and ready to install.
The lower arrived at the LGS today.
Total cost was $376.00 total.
Tennessee arms for the lower.
I'll have to locate the selling co. the upper
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@ 44's rock: Oh I have the 25 years stuf stored in the basement where it stays cool.
I just need two young guys to help with the front lines while I nap.
I did just buy an additional 10 mags for the Thompson.
Oh! By the way, I found an excellent AR upper on line for $ 249.00 shipped including the bolt and charging handle.
Then found a complete lower for $ 126.00 shipped.
The upper arrived and it is exactly what I expected. Great! Complete and ready to install.
The lower arrived at the LGS today.
Total cost was $ 376.00 total.
Tennessee arms for the lower.
I'll have to locate the selling co. the upper
A big thumbs up!
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Wow. I come in from work, fire up the forum, and only two posts. A while back, it would have been ten or so, most from you-know-who....
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Wow. I come in from work, fire up the forum, and only two posts. A while back, it would have been ten or so, most from you-know-who....
Hunting season and the change in seasons!
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